Joe is quite right - and if you were a little shorter, I'd say whether to 
go 51 or 54 would depend on what handlebar setup you want to run, but at 
5'11" even with your inseam I am very confident 54 is your size.  I'm 
5'8.5" and 80 pbh and my 51 fits great with a short stem and drop bars, but 
I would need to max out the stem length to run even Albatross bars - and 
there is no way I could run L/T/Boscos, the bike would just be way too 
short for it.  Plus, I have lots of standover.  I would have gone 54 if I 
was planning to run upright bars, I think, although I'm the opposite on 
wheels - I wanted 650B, and am not interested in 700c.  

I am hoping that the Appaloosa gets a revamp to lengthen it akin to the 
Platys, so it can be a dedicated upright bar bike with more appropriate 
length. ie,  I think the 51 should have a ~610 ETT, while it currently has 
a 575.  Plus, that would separate it out from the Atlantis, which could 
still remain a drop bar-able touring bike.  I think I'm onto something 
here!  
On Saturday, 24 April 2021 at 14:05:30 UTC-7 aeroperf wrote:

> And under the “if I knew then what I know now” department…
> It is really tough to buy a boutique bike without having ridden it.  If 
> you’re going to pay >$3000 for a fully tricked-out Rivendell, or ~$1500 for 
> a frame+fork, you want to get it right.  So…
>
> Do you have a bike you ride or have ridden that you think really fits 
> you?  Try to find that bike on bikeinsights.com, then compare it to the 
> Sams on the same site for stack and reach.  You can make an account that 
> lets you modify the configuration - like bigger tires.
>
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578f548f3a30004789b21,5d250fb4ff3c94001746ed6e
> ,
>
> Take the minimum Sam that has 700c wheels (say a 54) and put out a request 
> on this list to test ride one.  “Anybody near (your address) have a 54 Sam 
> I can try?”  You’ll get more offers than you think.  Live near Atlanta?  
> Come and ride mine.
>
> Find a Rivendell dealer, or ideally go to their store in Walnut Creek, and 
> test ride everything you can.  You might find that a Sam isn’t quite what 
> you want, but an AHH is.
>
> And if you really want that 54 Sam, and your size is close, go get that 54 
> Sam and modify it until it is your perfect bike.  Seat height, stem length, 
> grips, pedals, bars, tires.  You can change the whole feel of the bike in a 
> lot of different ways.  This method is expensive, but it does result in a 
> good set of tools.
>
>

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