Yep, the Xtracycle conversion fit perfectly into the drop outs, so whatever 
previous spacing issues there were had been resolved. I *think* the chain 
length is ballpark ~175 links but it could be more. I didn't count the 
exact number b/t the two 116 link chains I used but about 1.5 chains.

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 9:13:32 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow! I guess a straightened rear triangle is probably irrelevant at this 
> point? Seriously cool build, how many chains did it take to reach the 
> cassette?
>
> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 2:27:51 PM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> I finally got it built up last week and it's riding great! The 26" front 
>> wheel did not work on the 52cm Clem fork. So I got a 650b up front and kept 
>> the 26" rear. It handles really well and rides like a dream. Flexy in all 
>> the right ways and places. 
>>
>> Below is a pic and here's a video of my wife and daughter riding it 
>> <https://www.instagram.com/stories/highlights/17870970557366927/>. Let 
>> me know if you have any questions about the build etc. 
>>
>> [image: clem-xtracycle.jpg]
>>
>> On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 3:17 PM Dave <dave...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> How'd this end up for you Justin? Tempted to try a free radical on the 
>>> back of a 650b proto-bleriot....would either be running the 650b with the 
>>> expense of the paul motolite brakes (I think that would work), or would be 
>>> buying a 26" wheel and running a mismatched 650b up front 26" in back. 
>>> Curious to hear your feedback!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 4:28:34 AM UTC-7 Justin Kennedy 
>>> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>>>
>>>> UPDATE. Turns out a 26" wheel on a 52 Clem L does not work with a 
>>>> regular V-brake or canti brake. There may be a way for it to work with 
>>>> some 
>>>> other set up but I'm going with the mullet set up - 650b up front and a 
>>>> 26" 
>>>> on the Xtracycle Free Radical extension. Just waiting on the new wheel to 
>>>> arrive.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 1:55:38 AM UTC-4 Nerl L. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Justin,
>>>>> I'm on a Clem 52 H, so if the fork is different from the L, then this 
>>>>> may not help.   Center to center, front axle to brake post is 10-1/2".
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way, one year plus later, I'm still happily on the bars, stem 
>>>>> and saddle I got from you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Noah
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 3:14:55 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
>>>>> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, since it's going to have an Xtracycle extension on the rear, 
>>>>>> that rear axle measurement doesn't matter much. i just need to know 
>>>>>> whether 
>>>>>> a 26" wheel would fit up front. So if anyone with a 52 Clem L could 
>>>>>> measure 
>>>>>> the distance from the center of your front axle to the canti/V-brake 
>>>>>> posts, 
>>>>>> that would be greatly appreciated. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 12:57:57 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ask any Clem owner to measure from the center of the rear axle to 
>>>>>>> the center of the brake caliper bolt, that's the magic number you need.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 9:36:08 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hmm you're right, the Motolites are built to go the other way -- 
>>>>>>>> fitting 650b or 700c to a bike meant for 26". I currently have a cheap 
>>>>>>>> Shimano V-brake on the front. Will measure and see if there's any room 
>>>>>>>> for 
>>>>>>>> losing reach. I like your canti suggestion too. I may email Riv and 
>>>>>>>> see 
>>>>>>>> what their thoughts are. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 10:26 AM Philip Barrett <
>>>>>>>> philipr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If it helps, the 650b wheels that came off this measure as;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Axle C to inner edge of of rim = 290mm
>>>>>>>>> Axle C to outer edge of rim = 305mm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To my calculations you'll need to lose (not gain) 25mm of reach. 
>>>>>>>>> Centerpull cantilevers might get you there?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then again, for the price of a pair of Paul's you could buy a nice 
>>>>>>>>> set of 650b wheel & call it done?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 9:16:40 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy 
>>>>>>>>> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was just looking at that posting! I'm considering upgrading my 
>>>>>>>>>> Xtracylce using this frame. Does anyone know if I can fit a 26" 
>>>>>>>>>> wheel up 
>>>>>>>>>> front, maybe using a Paul Motolite or something with lots of reach? 
>>>>>>>>>> I know 
>>>>>>>>>> the 52 is made for 650b but my current wheelset is 26" Velocity 
>>>>>>>>>> Cliffhanger 
>>>>>>>>>> and I'd rather not have to change it up. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 10:09:48 AM UTC-4 
>>>>>>>>>> philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Update; Bikeflights has settled the claim & the frame was 
>>>>>>>>>>> donated to a kid's bike charity. Currently up for sale on ebay with 
>>>>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>>>>> damage shown & repair noted, might be a deal for someone who is OK 
>>>>>>>>>>> with the 
>>>>>>>>>>> condition;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/203329558177?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l3160&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=4ac514ba1adb42079cd095c39e2f34f2&bu=44128052550&ut=RU&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20210401070233&segname=11021&sojTags=ch%3Dch%2Cbu%3Dbu%2Cut%3Dut%2Cosub%3Dosub%2Ccrd%3Dcrd%2Csegname%3Dsegname%2Cchnl%3Dmkcid
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 11:52:53 AM UTC-5 Philip Barrett 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It was through Bikeflights.com, I've used them before & they 
>>>>>>>>>>>> were excellent so here's hoping they come through. I doubt any 
>>>>>>>>>>>> frame 
>>>>>>>>>>>> however well packed would have survived whatever it was they 
>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped on top 
>>>>>>>>>>>> off this, the sides of the Secialized shipping box were actually 
>>>>>>>>>>>> burst! A 
>>>>>>>>>>>> carbon frame would have just snapped.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 10:54:59 AM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phillip,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What a disappointment to discover the damage when you opened 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the box. Did Rivendell ship your Clem? I've purchased a few 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> frames from 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them and the dropouts (and fork ends) were always well secured. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck and please let us know how this is resolved. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rich in ATL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 8:10:16 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ouch. Yeah, if you can get your money back and put that baby 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back on a truck I think that's the plan. Too much drama. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 4:58:39 PM UTC-7 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chain stay has a pretty decent & visible bend, this one's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gone the journey I'm afraid?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 6:56:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not great! There should have been a dropout block in there 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so it wouldn't crush even if UPS screwed up. I'd do whatever 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legalities you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need with them and take it to a framebuilder to reset the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> triangle. It's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not broken, just a little bendy at the moment. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 4:49:15 PM UTC-7 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well this is probably not good then eh?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: PXL_20210315_232449669.jpg]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 6:42:47 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 135mm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 4:38:43 PM UTC-7 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Clem was delivered today & it looks like UPS crushed 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the box so badly the rear triangle is bent. Does anyone 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a measurement 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of their rear dropouts internal width?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good news is I bought the insurance but it's sad to see 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Riv destroyed like this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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