When I spoke to Vince a few months ago he told me that the 52 Clem was 
something like 7-8cm longer than the 50cm Platypus. If the stock 52 Clem 
comes with a 10cm stem, in my mind that means go as long as on the stem as 
you can with any of the sweptback bars on the Platypus. Just for reference: 
on my Appaloosa I used both the Chocomoose (12cm extension) and Billies on 
a 12cm stem. I never grabbed them at the ends of the bars, and always 
wanted them to be just a tad farther away. Riv seems to have addressed that 
by making the latest generation of Appaloosa a tad longer.

Bones

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 11:02:39 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Everyone's getting Billie Bars! I'll be interested to hear the reviews, it 
> seems like that bar never got much attention after it hit the shelves a 
> couple years ago. 
>
> Fun fact about the FacePlater (I got one recently): If you use lock-on 
> grips so everything is easily removable, it actually takes just as much 
> time to remove and replace 4 stem bolts as it does to loosen one and remove 
> and replace the stuff on the bars. Isn't that a fun fact?? 😁
>
> Joe "now wants Billie Bars too so he can be in with the cool crowd" Bernard
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 7:44:49 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>> Living next door to a Riv family would be so cool. We could ride and try 
>> different bar setups. I think I will try the Billie Bars and like you said 
>> could sell and try another bar if needed. Now on the stem length. I agree 
>> with Will that the new faceplater stem is the way to go to make bar 
>> switches easier but alas they are out of stock. No problem really as I'm 
>> doing a slow build.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:54:39 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Doug, I have Boscos on my 2019 Clem and it needs them. The expanded geo 
>>> on that 2019 frame made me need an 8 cm stem and Boscos and there’s still a 
>>> reach! I don’t think you’ll have that same issue because you have a grilver 
>>> Clem, and those came out before Rivendell changed the geometry. But I 
>>> wonder if your Clem would like a Billie bar… Wish you lived next door and 
>>> we could try it out!
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Doug Hansford <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops 
>>> on the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my 
>>> Clem build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to 
>>> hear what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long) 
>>> and agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. 
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers 
>>> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
>>>
>>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, 
>>> but the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too 
>>> close to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, 
>>> I have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts 
>>> enough that I have actually said ā€œow!ā€ out loud.I’ve also been known to 
>>> sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now. 
>>> Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on 
>>> there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar, 
>>> which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only about 
>>> 1.5 inches further away from me than my Boscos. 
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What 
>>> are your impressions?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it 
>>> would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take 
>>> a file or grinder to it though.
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>>
>>>> That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to 
>>>> hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) 
>>>> wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple 
>>>> of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
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