Vince knows his handlebars and stems and the best configuation.
I'm getting a new stem this week. I'll report back how it goes.

On Sun, May 23, 2021, 10:20 AM 'upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> After a week away with a family crisis, I'm trying to  catch up on the
> handlebar thread and everyone's decisions. You all have provided much to
> the conversation and the subtle nuances experienced by each person.  This
> is the last item on my list to choose and I didn't get a chance to talk
> with Vince at Riv.  So this week I'll have an answer.
> Kate-Trenton, NJ
>
> On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 10:46:33 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Another rainy day although I did grab about 25 miles in dreary humidity.
>> Spent some of the rest of the day working on my twine & wrapping skills, I
>> wonder if Blue Lug is hiring?
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210523_024219127.jpg]
>>
>> On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 9:18:56 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> "Your metaphors rise almost to the level of literature, and "almost" is
>>> not a putdown, either. Seriously, this gives one a much more "concrete"
>>> (how's that for a metaphor?) picture of the Billie versus Boscoe."
>>>
>>> Right?? I literally caught my breath at this one:
>>>
>>
>>> "The drama queen of Rivendell’s bar line-up, they rise dramatically and
>>> sweep way back, like a woman lifting her petticoats."
>>>
>>> I could immediately and vividly see it in my mind's eye and thought to
>>> myself HOW DID SHE THINK OF THAT??
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 6:13:56 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> Your metaphors rise almost to the level of literature, and "almost" is
>>>> not a putdown, either. Seriously, this gives one a much more "concrete"
>>>> (how's *that* for a metaphor?) picture of the Billie versus Boscoe.
>>>>
>>>> Me, I've no use or desire at all for wide bars with great sweepback; I
>>>> always cut non-drop bars down to be comfortable. But I do know the feeling
>>>> of being able to hold on to the ends of the bar to stand (or sit) and
>>>> torque hard for hills or, around here, sand patches -- I have just now,
>>>> after months, put the final perfecting adjustment touches to my flipped and
>>>> ruthlessly cut down MAP/Ahearne bar (9 cm stem) (moved the Shimano 600
>>>> levers about 3/4" further toward the (severely trimmed) ends of the bar, so
>>>> I can brake with 1 or 2 fingers from the Ergon grips but still wrap fingers
>>>> around lever bodies for a forward, more inclined riding position.
>>>>
>>>> Photos, please.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 9:42 PM Leah Peterson <jonasa...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Friends,
>>>>>
>>>>> It has been unbelievably windy here in Vegas. My Billie Bars arrived
>>>>> yesterday afternoon and I got them installed right away (which I 
>>>>> documented
>>>>> in a minimally helpful, mostly satirical video on Instagram). But, it was
>>>>> too windy to ride. The weather still wasn’t cooperating today, but the
>>>>> winds died down enough to let me out for a quick 10 miles with my new
>>>>> Billie Bars. I wish I had more time and miles with them, but in the
>>>>> interest of people trying to choose bars and stem for their new Platys in 
>>>>> a
>>>>> hurry, I’ll give you my unvarnished opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 9 cm stem is going to be just fine, I think. There is enough of a
>>>>> reach that I don’t feel cramped in the cockpit (oh, how I hate the term 
>>>>> for
>>>>> bikes). The Bosco Bars make a statement, like antlers, like a crown. The
>>>>> drama queen of Rivendell’s bar line-up, they rise dramatically and sweep
>>>>> way back, like a woman lifting her petticoats. That was the first
>>>>> appreciable difference I noted between the bars - the Billie is flatter 
>>>>> and
>>>>> has less reach-back. Understated compared to the dramatic Bosco. But the
>>>>> Billie is regal in its own way, too - those curves on either side of the
>>>>> clamp are lovely. To use imagery from nature:  the Boscos are a buck with
>>>>> an impressive rack, the Billies are a bird taking flight.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, what about the width of those flared 58 cm Billie Bars? Sisters, I
>>>>> know we were worried. We said, “They made those wide bars for full-grown,
>>>>> broad-shouldered men and what about us?” But I have good news - I think
>>>>> you’ll like that flare! It’s not too wide, and I think it is more 
>>>>> ergonomic
>>>>> the way your wrists meet those bar ends.
>>>>>
>>>>> Climbing. I love Boscos, but I really do think I had too short of a
>>>>> stem for them. I think 11cm would be the ticket and I have a 9. I hated
>>>>> climbing with my Boscos because they came back too far and it was awkward.
>>>>> I rarely stood on my pedals because the bar ends came back to my hips. 
>>>>> Ever
>>>>> ridden your bike uphill with your hands behind your hips?! Also, I am a 
>>>>> bar
>>>>> puller. I pull hard on handlebars when I am really exerting effort to 
>>>>> climb
>>>>> a hill or to go fast and it was too cramped with the Boscos and a 9 cm
>>>>> stem. I would get a sharp pain in my right wrist that would actually make
>>>>> me gasp. But not tonight. I can yank those bars all I want - when I’m
>>>>> starting from a dead stop, or climbing a hill or racing around on the 
>>>>> flats
>>>>> below the mountain and NO wrist pain.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did raise my stem another 1/2 inch to make up for the flattish
>>>>> posture of the Billies. It was kind of nostalgic because Albatross was the
>>>>> bar on my first Riv, my Betty Foy. I’m sure I’ll make further adjustments,
>>>>> but those will come with miles.
>>>>>
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