The first gen would be even shorter then the 2017 listed in that link, 
there's at least three versions of this model. I bought a 45 Clem L frame 
from Riv a few years ago and was told the ETT was longer than original 
Clementine. 



On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 1:04:58 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> The 2019+ Clem-L's are notably longer front and rear than the previous 
> generation of Clem's which the Clementine belonged to. They are 2 
> completely different frames that happen to share the same model name. There 
> was no advance that this was going to happen, so for example when Leah got 
> her new one it took her awhile to figure out a new, much shorter stem to 
> use.  
>
> Here's the visual .....   
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e234be7c6f2c50017f1e4ca,5ad94f910b7e170014f9dc22
> ,
>
> On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 12:57:22 PM UTC-4 Pancake wrote:
>
>> Am I right to think the "small" Clementine is the same as a 45cm Clem L?
>> Abe
>>
>> On Friday, 29 October 2021 at 13:29:05 UTC-7 El Sapo wrote:
>>
>>> Bump, 52 Clem and a small Clementine in the California Bay Area 
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 5:38:53 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Those look new! 
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 8:14:35 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Where are you located?  Beautiful bikes!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 4:32:25 PM UTC-7 El Sapo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: clementine2.jpg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 4:08:29 PM UTC-7 El Sapo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: clem1.jpg]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-7 El Sapo wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Clem is a medium in blue, and Clementine is a small in black. Both 
>>>>>>>> are from the first shipment of full build Clem Smith Jr bikes. They 
>>>>>>>> are 
>>>>>>>> both in "Like New" condition. The Clem has a brooks saddle and light 
>>>>>>>> weight 
>>>>>>>> Rene Herse tires. The Clementine is stock.  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Giving the RBW Owners Bunch first shot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $2K each.    
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

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