My Diadora winter shoes sound like the same design using a neoprene cuff with a wrapping flap (sort of) secured by velcro. I have to position both faces of the velcro away from the socked foot entering or the flap with the loop patch goes in with my foot and/or the hook patch adheres to my sock and inverts into the shoe as well.
Glad that's not the design paradigm that carried forward. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh (where it's a balmy 20° but a looming winter storm will keep the Nokians mounted the rest of the week) On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 4:34:30 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote: > + 1 for the Lake winter shoes. They are nice and warm, tho' I don't use > mine until temps fall into the 20s. > > Query: Mine are old; I'd guess 6-10 (the range indicates that I have no > idea) years old, with a thickish neoprene liner built in. This liner is > divided at the shoe's entry into a flap mean to wrap around the ankle and > secure to the other side with velcro. This means that, when you are putting > the boots on, you have to guide your foot into a rather narrow tunnel while > holding the "flap" back so that it doesn't velcro itself to the opposing > side. If you are old, stiff, and whiny as I, then this can require certain > contortions to get thick sock into shoe without bunching (shoes are > properly sized). > > Do the models from the last 5 years use the same wrap-around neoprene sock? > > Still and all, even mine are comfortably and comfortingly warm on longer > rides at temps well below freezing. > > On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:21 AM Josh Brown <joshm...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Bought a pair of Lake (MXZ 200) a couple years ago and wear them when it >> gets below 30 here. >> >> They have a goretex liner, vibaram sole, great stiffness and plenty of >> room in the toe box for thick socks. They also have a cutaway so you can >> use SPDs if that's your speed. >> >> Josh in slushy NYC >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 30, 2022, 10:51 PM Brady Smith <bradys...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> For quick trips around town I usually just wear hiking books--with wool >>> socks, I'm plenty warm down into the teens. >>> >>> For longer rides, there's really nothing better than neoprene shoe >>> covers. I went out for almost four hours today in 35 degree weather, >>> wearing regular cycling socks, my Pearl Izumi all-road shoes, and a pair of >>> old Giro shoe covers I bought when I started bike commuting a few years >>> ago. Toasty the whole time. I've survived 60 minute bike commutes in single >>> digits with those and hiking socks. They don't mesh real well with casual >>> wear, but I find that this is one area where technical roadie gear is >>> superior to most other options. >>> >>> On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 2:08:57 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> I just finished a nearly 2 hour fatbike ride on a snow covered trail in >>>> 20 degree weather. I was wearing one pair of medium weight socks with >>>> these >>>> insulated, separate thinsulate liner, rubber boots. Toasty warm the whole >>>> time. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jan 30, 2022, at 4:26 AM, Roberta <rcha...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sounds like you’re going in the right direction. There are also toe >>>> and hand warmers—you expose to air and the chemical reaction releases >>>> heat—and battery powered heated socks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 3:15:04 AM UTC-5 Kushan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Bruce - >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for that insight. I went for a long ride today in mid-thirties. >>>>> I was wearing mid-weight wool sucks under thick wool socks inside rubber >>>>> soled shoes. I was pretty comfortable for the first two hours but then my >>>>> toes and balls of my feet started to get extremely cold. By the time I >>>>> finished the ride at hour 3, they were almost numb. When I took the shoes >>>>> off, the socks were really cold (although couldn't tell if they were >>>>> wet). >>>>> I figured based on this experience that my feat are sweating and then >>>>> getting cold. I would have thought that merino wool socks would wick the >>>>> moisture away but I guess it isn't as effective. >>>>> >>>>> I am thinking of giving SealSkinz a try because they are waterproof. >>>>> Which type do you use for sub 30 degree riding? I see that they have both >>>>> cold weather and extremely cold weather. >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 5:27:29 AM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's not just the shoes. My suggestion is included with my get up >>>>>> for 20-30 deg rides. >>>>>> >>>>>> I rode in 29F yesterday. Merino Tee under a merino heavy weight base >>>>>> layer with a throat collar under a Columbia breathable jacket shell. >>>>>> Merino skins (sold by RBW) long johns under Eddie Bauer stretch activity >>>>>> pants (great wind blocker). Bombas wool socks inside Sealskins >>>>>> (breathable) >>>>>> inside leather Addidas Sambas (platform pedals only for me) bought 1 >>>>>> size >>>>>> too large to accommodate the thickness. Cheap JC Pennny wool gloves. >>>>>> merino >>>>>> ski cap and ear band on my head. Works great. The key for feet is >>>>>> breathable and air space. If you sweat and your socks get wet, your >>>>>> feet >>>>>> will chill. Zippers let you vent excess heat from a climb, etc if needed. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 10:34:37 PM UTC-6 Robert Tilley >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We do get cold in the mornings here. Sometimes into the 20’s. On >>>>>>> those days I typically ride in sandals. On my feet I put on thick wool >>>>>>> socks and then Sealskinz socks over those. The Sealskinz are waterproof >>>>>>> so >>>>>>> they work for rain as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My feet do sweat with this setup but they are warm. The wool socks >>>>>>> deal with the sweat by wicking it away from my skin. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Robert Tilley >>>>>>> San Diego, CA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 12:07 AM, Kushan <kth...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Daily temperatures have been dropping to lower 40s F here in >>>>>>> Seattle. I am finding that my usual California winter riding apparel >>>>>>> isn't >>>>>>> working out well in these conditions. I wanted to get some suggestion >>>>>>> on a >>>>>>> couple of problem areas: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - How do you keep your feet warm? I have been using thick merino >>>>>>> wool socks and mountain biking shoes >>>>>>> <https://www.rei.com/product/144906/pearl-izumi-x-alp-flow-mountain-bike-shoes-mens?CAWELAID=120217890006420810&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=104474362029&CATCI=pla-580970790450&cm_mmc=PLA_Google%7C21700000001700551_1449060002%7C92700056047375725%7CNB%7C71700000066356832&gclid=Cj0KCQiA_8OPBhDtARIsAKQu0gYKr3u3g3jJtUFMpyHdzwK8gsHvUgTv2LHg-935Gc5sKxvRxwn1uJUaAuQAEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds>. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After about an hour or so in 40-degree, no sun weather, my feet are >>>>>>> starting to get cold (no rain involved). After about two hours, I am >>>>>>> starting to feel numbness in my toes. I would like to go for longer >>>>>>> (5-6 >>>>>>> hours) ride. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Based on some older threads here, I am using full-sleeve merino >>>>>>> shirt >>>>>>> <https://www.rei.com/product/192913/rei-co-op-merino-185-long-sleeve-base-layer-top-mens-tall-sizes> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> with a breathable jacket >>>>>>> <https://www.rei.com/product/169110/pearl-izumi-quest-barrier-convertible-cycling-jacket-mens>. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While this keeps my upper body warm, I have two problems - the jersey >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> soaking wet with sweat after two hours. This is on a mostly flat roads >>>>>>> where I would generally be dry in warmer weather. The other problem is >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> after the ride, the skin on my upper body is red. It feels somewhat >>>>>>> similar >>>>>>> to how the uncovered areas of skin (such as face) turn red after being >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> in cold for long. I don't have the problem with skin redness when I >>>>>>> wear >>>>>>> the same jersey (but no jacket) in a bit warmer weather (50s or 60s). >>>>>>> So >>>>>>> it's hard to determine whether my upper body is too hot or too cold. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know this is highly personal and specific but I would really >>>>>>> appreciate any advice on what I can do or try. Don't want to stop/cut >>>>>>> back >>>>>>> on riding during winters. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best >>>>>>> Kushan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/191badf8-b299-41ac-acd5-f46564e0040en%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/191badf8-b299-41ac-acd5-f46564e0040en%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fc2fcaf0-25d1-4e2d-90b0-07031555ea87n%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fc2fcaf0-25d1-4e2d-90b0-07031555ea87n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b07ac8fb-e763-44db-a913-b435ad4e8b8bn%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b07ac8fb-e763-44db-a913-b435ad4e8b8bn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAJua_7Bhe1iAWFOfqheg-zrAyPWCWUMSHy-5yXBVLVJv%3D3Nvsw%40mail.gmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAJua_7Bhe1iAWFOfqheg-zrAyPWCWUMSHy-5yXBVLVJv%3D3Nvsw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Patrick Moore > Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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