B68S on my Betty.  I'd post a picture but then I'd get all the comments 
about the nose being too up.  I have a spare for when I need to repair it.  
Keep an eye out for them.  You may find one.  I've heard great things about 
Selle and Giles Berthoud too.  Keep adjusting it.  MM make a big difference.

On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 9:26:54 PM UTC-5 John Hawrylak wrote:

> Linda
>
> Gyes makes leather saddles with a lace on the bottom of the skirt to 
> minimize spreading.  If you like the B17, other than spreading, they may be 
> worth a try.
> Here is the link to their website   Gyes 
> <http://www.gyes.com.tw/2-1rail.html>.   I do not know who sells them.
>
> They made the VO Model 3, a B17 clone, which I am using and like better 
> than my B17s.   The leather is thicker than B17 and does spread as much or 
> need tightening as often.   They make Brookes clones and they make a '15' 
> model which I think is a shorter B17.
>
> Just a reminder, if your bars are at or below saddle height, a more 
> upright saddle (e.g. B68 & its clones) may not work for you since you are 
> less upright.    
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:04:36 PM UTC-5 Linda G wrote:
>
>> I am curious about this because I have tried different saddles on my 
>> non-Riv (but similar) lugged steel Velo Orange mixte. What I am looking for 
>> may not exist but someone may know of or be using a saddle I haven't run 
>> across. I've tried a Brooks B17s, Terry Cite-x and an old Avocet women's 
>> touring saddle. The honey brown B17s looks the best but is just not that 
>> comfortable. The slippery finish and flared side skirts seem to be part of 
>> the problem. I don't really want to punch holes in the skirts and try to 
>> tie it together like some people do. The Cite-x is about the size of the 
>> Brooks and quite comfortable but looks like an overstuffed sofa. I don't 
>> mind the modern look of the Terry touring saddles I have on my other 2 
>> bikes, including a Roadini, but I just don't like the look of the Cite-x. 
>> The touring saddles are a little too narrow for the mixte. I'm not 
>> interested in the Brookes with springs. If the Brooks Cambium came in a 
>> short version I would try that. Normal length saddles feel unsafe for me 
>> since I catch clothing like baggy shorts on the nose or it just makes 
>> getting on and off the bike more difficult. Any experiences or thoughts?
>> Linda
>>
>

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