Just don't index.  I'm using the RR and the bar end shifters - both on 
friction.  Never needs adjusting.  You adjust it each time you shift  - 
just like an old radio dial.  My RR is one of my only original parts on my 
bike 63,000 miles in.

On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 12:36:55 PM UTC-5 Drw wrote:

> Thanks all, 
> Yes, the shifters do friction and that's how it's being used now. Seems to 
> hold the gears fine in friction. 
> Follow up question. Is ALL shimano 9 speed the same? Road/MTN? Thinking I 
> may just pick up a 9 speed altus if the tinkering doesnt pan out. 
>
> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 5:37:42 AM UTC-8 James Valiensi wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> As a matter of fact, derailleur cables do not stretch. The forces 
>> involved in shifting are many orders of magnitude lower than the yield 
>> stress required to stretch the cable. What actually happens is that inside 
>> liner of the cable housing wears and causes the cable to become looser. 
>> Generally, a half turn out of the cable tension adjuster will compensate 
>> for this.
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:59 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On a new bike yes, the cable has probably stretched. If you're not 
>> familiar with fiddling with indexing I'll try a short explainer. 
>>
>> If you have the older style Deore there will be a cable adjuster on the 
>> derailer where the housing ends. Put your bike in the middle cog (5th gear 
>> on a 9-speed). Is the pulley directly under that cog? You can turn the 
>> adjuster counterclockwise to move it leftward, towards the bigger cogs; 
>> clockwise to move right, closer to the smaller cogs. Shift up and down the 
>> cassette, you'll probably need to do this a few times until the indexing is 
>> correct.
>>
>> If it's a newer Deore without the adjuster on the derailer you can use 
>> the one at the shifter. Which I find super annoying so I don't buy those 
>> kind so I don't know which way to turn it, but you'll figure it out after a 
>> few turns this way and that. Good luck! 
>>
>> On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 6:59:34 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I cannot answer your question but I am having a similar problem on my 
>>> Clem with a Deore rear mech. I suspect cable stretch on this new bike?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:10 PM, Drw <drewbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, so I had a rapid rise derailler around and all this talk from 
>>> rivendell got me to put it on my partner's bike that i'm building up. I 
>>> can't for the life of me get it to index correctly. Not saying the 
>>> derailler is the problem, but i've never had this issue with regular pull 
>>> deraillers, so im wondering if i'm missing something.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Components:*
>>> Rivendell Platypus 
>>> Microshift 9 speed thumb shifter for shimano (new)
>>> 9 speed shimano cassette (not new but good shape)
>>> Deore LX rapid rise derailer (not new but good shape)
>>>
>>>
>>> *Specific symptoms:*
>>> -Can tune it to get the highs and lows, but the middle 2-3 gears get it 
>>> jumping all over and not engaging with the cassette. 
>>>
>>> Any thoughts would be appreciated,
>>> Drew. LA
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