Hey there Matt - 

I think there were few of the AHH production bikes which did _not_ have a 
kickstand plate. 
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen/index.html

A recall seeing few photos of early (likely Waterford-built) with a round 
chainstay bridge only, but most of the ones I saw had the plate. I know 
mine does (a Toyo-built). 

I've got a few of those early AHH's photo'd during visits to the RBWHQ&L - 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/7495148306/in/album-72157630407224566/

they all seem to have them. 

IIRC, the serial numbers have some designators. But, if it has 
Waterford-branded dropouts, I think that's a solid indicator. They were a 
bit more rare. The colors were lighter on some of the Waterford ones as 
well. 

Jim







On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 10:21:51 AM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:

> I've been looking at that neat AHH over on Ebay and it got me wondering.  
> I saw a few comments in the past about Waterford vs Toyo AHH frames.  How 
> does one tell the difference.  Is the easiest/only option to look for 
> Waterford dropouts?  
>
> Do any of the AHH frames have a kickstand plate?  
>
> Dang, I wish that were not my size.
>
> Best regards,
> Matt in Oswego, IL
>

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