Watching this makes it all look so “doable”. And fun. Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 29, 2022, at 11:02 AM, Edwin W <dweenda...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Watching Mr. Hirose (RIP) install fenders or do just about anything on a > bicycle would have been a joy to watch live! > > Edwin > >> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:15:13 AM UTC-5 Igor wrote: >> I prefer working with Honjo undrilled fenders over any other. Need a lot of >> patience and some good tooling. If that is not something one is into, yes VO >> are better. >> >> Here's a great video of CS Hirose installing fenders that helps :) >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xbveQQHo00 >> >>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 12:04:58 PM UTC-4 brettjc...@gmail.com wrote: >>> Nobody asked, but here's my somtwo cents: VO metal fenders are much easier >>> to install **well** than the SKS plastic ones. They're predrilled, so you >>> only need basic tools like allen wrenches and a little bit of patience >>> (maybe a drill if you're going to directly mount to a rando rack, too). >>> Once they're installed, they stay in place much better than the SKS. The >>> stays are thick enough that if they get whacked, they're unlikely to bend. >>> With many metal fenders, you can gently reradius them for a better fender >>> line. Installing metal fenders stays from VO and similar brands requires >>> you to cut or dremel the fender stay, so four cuts. VO helpfully includes >>> both a bracket and daruma for mounting to a variety of frames. Once they're >>> on the bike, VO fenders tend to stay in place and seem to have a nice >>> fender line. >>> >>> SKS fenders have fiddly stays, which I'm constantly finding get bent out of >>> shape. The fenders have an arc that can't be altered, so you'd better hope >>> it fits the tire (or not be concerned with frivolity like fender line, but >>> hey, I am). The stays, if they require cutting, have more metal to cut and >>> it's flimsy. Once cut, you've also got sharp ends facing your legs, which >>> SKS helpfully provides little rubber thingees to cover. These are a total >>> PITA to mount in my experience. Once on a bike, I find that they are easy >>> to knock out of alignment. There are positives: SKS fenders are pretty >>> minimal, so can be squeezed onto a bike well. They do have the nice QR >>> feature when something gets jammed between fender and tire. However, if >>> you're worried about a QR system, Portland Design Works sells a quick >>> release tab that I put on bikes with knobby tires and metal fenders for >>> safety. >>> >>> The real challenge, IMHO, are the Sim Works and Honjo (maybe redundant, as >>> Honjo makes the SW models?) versions that are completely undrilled. You >>> get infinite options for mounting and infinite chance to err. I call these >>> six pack fenders, and they generally take a day to install. They generally >>> look fantastic. >>> >>> Anyway, Rivendell and other manufacturers that include plenty of space and >>> provisions for fender mounting are the best, and we should all buy their >>> bikes! >>> >>> Brett in pdx >>> >>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 5:53:18 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> SKS fenders may be easy-er than nothing to install for someone like a >>>> bike shop looking for a path of least resistance, but sheesh .... they >>>> look awful. I have some Bluemel P50's on my Bombadil. Frankly, any fender >>>> can be a challenge to install so I'd rather have some metal ones that look >>>> like they belong on the bike if I'm going to have anything on there. >>>> >>>> As Patrick pointed out though, regular SKS fenders are much too short in >>>> length, and they doesn't make longboard styles for the larger 700c >>>> fenders. They do sell x-long flaps as add-ons, but it's an add-on that >>>> would be better served as being included. SKS is wildly inconsistent in >>>> their fender offerings. >>>> >>>> I ordered some 63mm VO fenders for more coverage and they look nice. >>>> I'll likely have to move the front stay down because it looks like they >>>> drill it for right where the toes would come closest to the fenders and >>>> the bolts stick out. I like the way Berthoud does their stays though as >>>> they are flattened at the bend. >>>> >>>> I read that the Portland Design Works safety tabs work for VO stays. >>>> Again, it would be nice to have them as standard on the VO. I really >>>> dislike buying new stuff and then needing to change something about it. >>>> >>>> The funny thing is most of the times I've been caught in rainstorms have >>>> been on my 1999 custom Franklin that has no fenders. I used to rain ride >>>> for hours in Minnesota back in the day with no fenders , nor would they >>>> have fit on a racing bike. >>>> >>>> I was out riding today in cold and wind and felt like crap. Then I >>>> thought of Mike the Mailman riding all those hard miles on his whatever >>>> bike he had. So I let go all silly ideas of obligations and rode on, broke >>>> out in songs of appreciation .... and just enjoyed everything about it. >>>> >>>> The Secret to Life is that there is no Secret to Life..... tee hee hee >>>> .... >>>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 5:39:35 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote: >>>>> Just for the record, and not trying to change anyone's mind: I've used >>>>> most major brands, extant and defunct, of plastic fenders, and many makes >>>>> of metal fenders, aluminum and stainless steel. >>>>> >>>>> Good plastic ones -- SKS, Planet Bike (not Avocet or Zefal!), perhaps >>>>> Bumels, tho' it's been too long for those -- are sturdy, relatively easy >>>>> to install, and -- if long enough: some PBs and SKS's are shamefully >>>>> short in front -- work well, especially if you add mudflaps at the >>>>> "spray" end, ie forward edge of rear, trailing edge of front. >>>>> >>>>> But metal ones are stiffer, quieter, lighter, generally have fuller >>>>> coverage, can be adjusted more precisely, and look better. OTOH, they do >>>>> take practice. I can install them quickly and accurately now, but at the >>>>> expense, in the past, of more than a couple of sets installed badly and >>>>> having to be replaced. I would say, either get expert help for your first >>>>> ones, or buy 2 pairs, one to mess up and the other to install correctly. >>>>> Or, if you are handy and follow the instructions on the Jitensha Studio >>>>> site, you might do it right the first time. >>>>> >>>>> I happily rode SKS's on my ex-Ram and many other bikes and have used a >>>>> few PBs out of many pairs that weren't sinfully short, but IMO metals set >>>>> up more like an integral part of the bike. >>>>> >>>>> I can see how the owner of a small business might panic at the thought of >>>>> all the returns, bad feeling, and bad press that might come from selling >>>>> metal fenders to neophyte klutzes. >>>>> >>>>> Patrick Moore, who ceased being a neophyte klutz the hard and expensive >>>>> way, in ABQ, NM (where we say, "Rain? Whazzat?" -- who actually has metal >>>>> fenders on 2 bikes, and though he'd get caught in a SW downpour on this >>>>> afternoon's ride, but it blew away in the strong southeasterly headwind). >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 12:39 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch >>>>>> <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>> Roberta >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe Grant was spot on regarding the metal fenders drawbacks. I >>>>>> recently installed 52mm VO Zeppplins and the installation was a >>>>>> challenge. In contrast, the SKS go on much easier. >>>>>> >>>>>> John Hawrylak >>>>>> Woodstown NJ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 7:12:37 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote: >>>>>>>> Grant responds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> GrantthatGrant >>>>>>>> · 5 hr. ago >>>>>>>> We let everybody pick their saddles, and encourage them to ride one >>>>>>>> they already have and like, rather than buying new. But boy or boy, >>>>>>>> wait till you see what we've got coming from Brooks. It may be a year >>>>>>>> or even two out. My favorite Brooks ever, good for men or women with >>>>>>>> upright positions. It won't be right for everybody, but it'll be hard >>>>>>>> to hate. Not impossible, just hard. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1 >>>>>>>> Reply >>>>>>>> Share >>>>>>>> ReportSaveFollow >>>>>>>> level 2 >>>>>>>> GrantthatGrant >>>>>>>> · 4 hr. ago >>>>>>>> Metal fenders are fine, but plastics are good, too...and as a business >>>>>>>> we have to be careful about things that individual riders don't have >>>>>>>> to give much thought to. SKS recycled plastic fender, besides being >>>>>>>> quiet and only about a thousand times easier to mount (if I am allowed >>>>>>>> an exaggeration) also have a quick-release feature on the front, and >>>>>>>> that's a safety thing I've got to insist on if I'ma gonna sell them. >>>>>>>> I'm not saying Honjo fenders are dangerous. I'm saying there's an >>>>>>>> extra level of prudence that comes with being a seller of stuff. I am >>>>>>>> not saying that other businesses are irresponsible. I am just saying >>>>>>>> that when it comes to things like this, I always try to err on the >>>>>>>> conservative side. That way, I don't have to fret as much. That's all. >>>>>>>> My first two posts on Reddit. I probably won't get hooked, but I saw >>>>>>>> this and the Brooks one, and thought what the heck, I'll risk it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:11:57 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote: >>>>>>>>> If you've been following Grant's "Bicycle Sentences" on Instagram you >>>>>>>>> probably saw the one about saddle to handlebar rise. It spurred an >>>>>>>>> interesting Reddit conversation linked here: Reddit >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/88aeb53f-ef30-4100-9fcb-591cedcf9159n%40googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> Patrick Moore >>>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >>>>> >>>>> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3e891c64-903b-454f-8678-940d6071da71n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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