I’m not at all sure, but I think the H had at least one run with the new longer geo in 2019. It has more cream accents than the older ones is the only other thing I have noticed.
On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 9:48:41 AM UTC-7 Paul Choi wrote: > This might be premature but I have a FFHS 52 Clem H in Grilver that I will > be selling once my Roscoe comes in. I bought the bike last year from the > original owner. It has some damage to the drive side chainstay and outside > of the bottom bracket. The touch up job was very low quality. I didn't care > about the cosmetic issues. I think the damage was due to the chain falling > off and then some pedaling. I can provide photos if someone is interested > and will post an official FS later if there is no interest now. I think > this bike was purchased from RBW back in 2019. > > On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 8:27:31 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote: > >> ... but i I guess I still don't know that short Hs were ever produced >> again, after the Ls got longer. This chart may have just included the >> then-defunct H for reference or aspirational purposes. >> >> On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 9:21:18 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote: >> >>> Well, I stand corrected. Here's a geomety chart from the archive that >>> DOES simultaneously show the shorter H and the longer L. >>> >>> >>> https://web.archive.org/web/20200413014654/https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry >>> >>> On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 8:20:47 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote: >>> >>>> That's interesting. I'd put my money on Eric being right and bike >>>> insights being wrong. The wayback machine internet archive should hold >>>> the >>>> answers. The Hs didn't last all that long before they decided to just do >>>> Ls. They may even have dropped the upper bar an H version BECAUSE they >>>> wanted to lengthen them, and maybe something got whacky with the >>>> proportions or angles. I remember that we were all surprised to learn >>>> that >>>> they'd gotten longer, so it wasn't talked about in the typical, public way >>>> that ,say, the decision to drop the clementine name was. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 1:06:21 PM UTC-6 fra...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you for the messages Dustin and John! I love that mustard color >>>>> and would have liked to find one in it. I did pick up the one but don’t >>>>> know the exact year. It is supposed to be here Friday! >>>>> >>>>> Eric, when I looked on bike insights it showed the fork rake and head >>>>> tube angle being the main difference on the two. Steeper by about 2 >>>>> degrees >>>>> on the H I think with less rake. Trail numbers are still very similar >>>>> though. It would be fun to spend a weekend riding both on the same paths >>>>> and trails to decide! >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 11:01:22 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> John, >>>>>> >>>>>> Were your bikes the same gen? The Clem got longer in later models, >>>>>> but I always thought the L and H had the same geo for the same model >>>>>> years. >>>>>> >>>>>> Eric >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022, John Johnson <johnemer...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I had a Clem H and my wife has the same size Clem L. I noticed right >>>>>>> away there were a few differences; the L has a longer top tube, longer >>>>>>> front center, and longer wheelbase. The difference in top tube length >>>>>>> means >>>>>>> bars fit differently, stem lengths will need to be adapted, etc. This >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> not insignificant. bikeinsights is as always helpful: >>>>>>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e234be7c6f2c50017f1e4cc,5e234e0e5c58cd001776de16 >>>>>>> , >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the end, I was jealous of the extra reach on my wife's Clem L so >>>>>>> I sold the H and bought an L. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would say they do ride a bit differently (agreed on the H being a >>>>>>> bit stiffer). Both are great bikes, and it just depends on what you're >>>>>>> looking for. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 4:12:44 PM UTC+2 fra...@gmail.com >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you for the thoughts Richard, nice looking bike! I do like >>>>>>>> the idea of the step thru on these. Especially for loading it up while >>>>>>>> pulling my daughter in the trailer. I don’t have any trouble getting a >>>>>>>> leg >>>>>>>> over but sometimes it could be a benefit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:59:11 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have an “L” and I do notice the flex when loaded - but only >>>>>>>>> standing still or just “pushing off”. Once moving the flex >>>>>>>>> disappears. Of >>>>>>>>> course any frame bags you might have are useless on the “L”. So I >>>>>>>>> sold mine >>>>>>>>> & have invested in traditional racks & bags. It’s all been worth it >>>>>>>>> though >>>>>>>>> as the step through is my favorite feature of the many features I >>>>>>>>> love >>>>>>>>> about this bike. Not saying don’t get the “H”, but the “L” is just so >>>>>>>>> nice. >>>>>>>>> [image: image0.jpeg] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's basically the same, just a little stiffer. The L has a >>>>>>>>> smidge of flex in the frame that shows up if you load a bunch of >>>>>>>>> weight on >>>>>>>>> it (some folks I've mentioned this to say they don't notice it, >>>>>>>>> YRMV). Grab >>>>>>>>> that H, it's a good frame! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:02:34 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I just finished my Susie build (first Riv) and I have never >>>>>>>>>> ridden a bike like it. It brings comfort and riding enjoyment to an >>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>> time high for me! I do however find it to be almost too nice! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I was interested in waiting for a Clem L to come back in stock to >>>>>>>>>> use as my grocery getter/winter bike to keep fenders on and haul >>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>> stuff. I found a Clem H for sale that I’m interested in though so I >>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>> hoping for some opinions about the differences here! From what I can >>>>>>>>>> tell, >>>>>>>>>> the H just has a sleeper head tube angle and everything else seems >>>>>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>>>> about the same. Do they ride similar? The H is a better deal as far >>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>> parts go than a complete. I’m also almost certain the complete will >>>>>>>>>> get a >>>>>>>>>> decent price bump on the next run. The step thru is cool but not a >>>>>>>>>> huge >>>>>>>>>> deal for me. Thoughts? 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