I was running the Soma Oxford bar (essentially the same as the Albatross) 
on my Midnight Special and wanted something a little wider and less swept 
back but still with some rise. I put the Sycip JJJ bar on and have been 
really liking it so far. It has similar sweep to the Singles Bar and is a 
little wider, but not by much, and has 20mm rise. I've found it a pretty 
nice balance between on road comfort and control on rougher terrain. I'm 
using ESI chunky grips on them.

On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 7:43:08 AM UTC-7 jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Great inputs here, thanks! I'm open to ideas for all-day and mixed terrain 
> comfort as well. What grips, bars, and seats do folks like best for this 
> type of riding? Coming from albatross, ergon, and b17 - maybe this is as 
> good as it gets?
>
> Jeff
>
> On Sunday, 14 August 2022 at 01:07:59 UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Sycip has several interesting bars that I hardly ever see on bikes. One 
>> is a flattish bar similar to Jitensha and Riv Nitto Wavie that uses road 
>> levers like an Albastache. Nifty! 
>>
>> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 10:40:23 PM UTC-7 brizbarn wrote:
>>
>>> Never rode them or knew that they existed.  I thought about buying some 
>>> Nitto 
>>> B812 bars <https://global.bluelug.com/nitto-b812-kite-bar-silver.html>. 
>>> Almost the same as Singles Bar but more narrow, available only from Blue 
>>> Lug.   My friend has the wider Crust Juan Martin bars and likes them a lot. 
>>>  Seems like a good in-between of swept back and straight.  I imagine you 
>>> can still get rowdy with them, where swept back feel too relaxed, and 
>>> straight bars are not relaxed enough for regular seated riding. Thanks for 
>>> bringing these to my attention.   
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 6:05:22 PM UTC-7 mitchel...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> yeah these were wider cruiser type bars but like Joe said, no rise.. 
>>>> reminded me of a narrower juan martin bar.
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 1:42:02 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't have one to sell but I've owned one, I really liked the grip 
>>>>> angle. No rise though so make sure you're ok with a lower bar (or can 
>>>>> raise 
>>>>> your stem). 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 1:25:36 PM UTC-7 
>>>>> jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anybody have experience with this handlebar? Looking to replace the 
>>>>>> Albatross on my Atlantis with something having less sweepback and this 
>>>>>> seems like it might be perfect. Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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