Interesting discussions about benefits of and problems with kickstands.
Richard, I'm totally with you about how useful the double is.
For fun I looked back on Riv's website about 10 years ago (specifically Oct
2011) to see what they had written about kickstands in general and the
double Pletschers in particular:
*————————————————————————*
*KICKSTANDS*
- Every bike that isn’t strictly a race bike will benefit from a
kickstand, but kickstands turn off people by the tens of thousands. Why?
Because of old associations with cheap bikes? That may be it. It must be
it. But they’re no less functional on an expensive bike, and the expensive
bike is the one you’d most like to not fall over, isn’t it? The one you’d
least like to see topple?
- Clamp on kickstands can smash and wreck thin chainstays…so if you have
a history of stripping the threads on screws and peanut butter jar lids,
stay away. Wrap the stays with bar-tape. Clamp securely but not
oversecurely. Or better yet, get one of the Pletscher clamp-cushions we
offer.
- Few expensive bikes have brazed-on kickstand plates, but most of ours
(not the Roadeo) do. That makes kickstands easy and avoids clamping damage.
But it is possible to rip the weld apart if you, like, sit on the bike and
fall over on the kickstand side. It has happened. No need. Be careful, and
enjoy your kickstand.
- We sell the Swiss-made Pletscher model, not the almost as good
Greenfield. The story we heard is that Pletscher developed the inner spring
mechanism, and Greenfield has adopted it (in a business agreement). Either
way, they’re both good.
*PLETSCHER TWIN-LEGGER*
- Single-leggers are fine & the way to go for daily use.
- But if the lean angle exceeds such and such and the weight is more
than so and so, a single-legged kickstand will be overwhelmed.
- This Pletscher Two-Legger thrives in those conditions.
- We wouldn't offer it if it weren't spectacular. Here's how it is:
- -- It works great.
- -- It's clever.
- -- It's Swiss.
- -- It has heritage without being trendy and coveteous.
- -- It's affordable, although just barely.
- -- You can't buy it at the Five-and-Dime.
- It weighs about 1.6 pounds.
- As is the case with the single-letter kickstand, you have to cut it to
size.
- Here's what you do: [....]
On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:23:35 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
> Right on, Richard.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 12:20 PM Richard Rose <rmro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have felt exactly the same for almost almost 50 years. Touring on my
>> Clem last July my double kickstand was an absolute joy. While everyone else
>> was looking around for something to lean on I was chilling. When their
>> bikes were falling over, mine was solid. Plus, the nature of the Clem L,
>> with no top tube along with the Bosco bar make unfriendly to the “lean”.
>> The stand has become a favorite feature of the bike. But I am just an old
>> slow guy:)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Will Boericke <wboe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you can't find something to lean it on, keep riding.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 11:47:34 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a "leaner" as well.
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 10:47:15 AM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It’s been my consistent observation and experience that kickstands
>>>> cause more damage than they offer any “solution.”
>>>>
>>>> It’s always been easy to lean my bike against something. Sometimes I
>>>> even lean it on the ground. It’s never fallen off the ground.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Aaron in El Paso
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 7, 2022, at 08:41, Mark C <wvfi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't think the single kickstands put all that much stress on the
>>>> plate. The double stands are a whole nother thing. I have no idea how
>>>> people use theirs, but there is a temptation to push the bike off of the
>>>> stand (like on a motorcycle) rather than pick the rear of the bike up and
>>>> close the stand. That puts a lot of stress on the front of the plate that
>>>> could easily lead to the kind of damage shown here. These stands are handy
>>>> for keeping the bike upright with loads, and there shouldn't be excessive
>>>> stress in that position. On recumbents, people even try to sit on the bike
>>>> while on the stand! - not a good idea.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 10:30:20 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So here’s a pic of the plate on an unpainted Glorius, which gives a
>>>>> pretty good view of the weld to one of the chainstays. (We’ve not
>>>>> bothered
>>>>> to put the kickstand mounting hardware on this yet because it’s lightly
>>>>> ridden and has not carried but the smallest loads.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that the plates are dainty relative to the sheer burliness of
>>>>> bikes like the Bombadil and Hunqapillar. I also don’t see any technical
>>>>> reason the plates could not be reinforced to withstand the sorts of loads
>>>>> these burly bikes are built for. I would be fine with the additional
>>>>> weight
>>>>> it would probably take. I love how practical a double kickstand is and
>>>>> I’m
>>>>> so used to it that I can’t imagine using a single on my Hunq.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe, nothing you wrote was lame… I think I alluded to the phone mount
>>>>> being a weak point in Leah’s scenario without naming it specifically, and
>>>>> I
>>>>> feel much more secure knowing you agree with my assessment!
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Glorius kickstand plate.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 9:17:46 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Bombadil, despite being such a burly bike itself, has a most
>>>>>> dainty kickstand plate - so much so that I've removed the kickstand from
>>>>>> that bike just to avoid bending it and potentially damaging the
>>>>>> chainstays
>>>>>> in the process. Grant recognized the shortcoming and thickened the plate
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> subsequent models but like Joe rightly noted, the double leg kickstands
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> dangerous if not careful and this is, to my understanding, why Riv
>>>>>> stopped
>>>>>> selling them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 17:59:00 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're welcome! Although I now realize my follow-up was completely
>>>>>>> redundant, i didn't notice Jim had mentioned the plastic clamp, too, I
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> repeated what he said. Lame! 🤪
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:39:43 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding
>>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whew, thanks, guys! Super relieved. You have no idea.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seconding Jim's thoughts about your phone mount. I see a
>>>>>>>> turn-by-hand screw and plastic clamp, you'll break the clamp before
>>>>>>>> crushing the bar if you ever screwed it down that hard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A little blue Loctite on the threads of that screw should keep it
>>>>>>>> tight.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:33:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding
>>>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I read the product description which warns of over tightening and
>>>>>>>>> ruining the frame. And then I thought of my new phone handlebar mount
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> affixes to the bar like a vice and wondered if I’m ruining my Billie
>>>>>>>>> Bars!
>>>>>>>>> I find myself having to tighten it a smidge now and then, and I
>>>>>>>>> wonder if
>>>>>>>>> it’s because it’s mashing the aluminum Billie Bar. Can anyone offer
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> opinion here? (I got a new iPhone and it’s huge and heavy, for what
>>>>>>>>> it’s
>>>>>>>>> worth.)
>>>>>>>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
>>>>>>>>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/pletscher-kickstand-hardware?variant=23336090241
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Save the plate! Add some weight!
>>>>>>>>> -Kai
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:12:04 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I thought I'd bring this over here instead of continuing to
>>>>>>>>>> hammer Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' thread.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do we have any reports of plates separating from the stays from a
>>>>>>>>>> single-leg kickstand, or are they all double-leggers? My experience
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> both is this:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I used a double-legger on a Clem and could really load that bike
>>>>>>>>>> up, I'm familiar with that rocking sensation of all the weight
>>>>>>>>>> torquing on
>>>>>>>>>> the stand. On my custom I use a single leg (the stock one that came
>>>>>>>>>> on Clem
>>>>>>>>>> completes a few years ago) and it's not very strong. It supports the
>>>>>>>>>> bike
>>>>>>>>>> fine and I can put a small shopping load in the bags, but as soon as
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> start to overdo it I can feel the bike getting wobbly like the stand
>>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>>>> to give out on me. My guess in this scenario is the single-legger is
>>>>>>>>>> warning me before the plate gets too stressed, whilst the double
>>>>>>>>>> will let
>>>>>>>>>> you load all day until the plate gives up.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Whaddyathink?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Joe Bernard
>>>>>>>>>>
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