FWIW, I spoke to Will about the Rosco Baby and he told me the new Clem's 
are the closest thing to them. Big difference being that tubes in the Rosco 
Baby are burlier. 

Joe in Los Angeles

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 4:52:52 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> Thanks Laing, Slin and Paul!
>
> In 2016 Riv listed the Clem L as follows:
> size 59 has an ETT of 64
> size 65 has an ETT of 67 
> both with STA and HTA of 71.5
>
> Paul, I wonder if yours was a newer version with an even longer 70cm ETT!
>
> I found this diagram for a 52 Rosco Baby, which shows a whopping 72.5 ETT! 
> The main difference are the 70.5 HTA and the STA at 68 - I believe the 
> latter is a big part of the expanded top tube. i wonder what's the ETT on 
> the 58 Baby?
>
> The 56 Susie shows an ETT of 68.5 on the website, a bit longer than the 
> diagram I found below but still well below than the Rosco baby. Anyone has 
> experience with a front load on a Susie? Yeah, I'm looking for excuses to 
> buy Ryan's bike ;) My wife has a small Susie and it's a great bike.
>
> Max
> [image: IMG_0033.JPG]
> [image: 56cm susie.png]
> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 4:10:12 PM UTC-6 Paul M wrote:
>
>> I had a 64cm 2021 lime-olive Clem L and it had a 70cm effective top tube. 
>>
>> On Monday, 10 April 2023 at 14:15:14 UTC-7 Slin wrote:
>>
>>> Laing is right that the latest Clem L has a much longer top tube than 
>>> the Clementine, but it's not 4.5 inches longer.
>>>
>>> Max - Bosco bars are a great for getting more space for you and the 
>>> baby. Sizing up on a Clem for me has worked great to get space for my knees 
>>> with the baby up front too.
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 12:53:24 PM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a Clementine and a Rosco Baby. BIG, BIG difference. The Rosco 
>>>> Baby Effective Top Tube is about 4-1/2 inches longer that the Clementine. 
>>>> 725mm for the Rosco Baby 52cm, 610mm for the Clementine 52cm. The current 
>>>> Clem may be slightly different than the original Clementine, but not 4-1/2 
>>>> inches.
>>>>
>>>> Laing
>>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 3:40:38 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> We've got a little one on the way and I've started thinking about a 
>>>>> bike for a Thule Yepp mini front seat without knee interference to ride 
>>>>> next summer!
>>>>>
>>>>> I have pretty long legs for my 5'11" height - pbh of 90.5 so I always 
>>>>> look for bikes with short-ish top tubes or use very short stems which in 
>>>>> mind provide the most comfortable fit for me. I don't think any of my 
>>>>> current bikes is ideal, the proto Gallop has long chainstays and a swoopy 
>>>>> top tube for swept back bars so considering geometry, I think it is the 
>>>>> closest, but I don't think it'll handle the weight in the front very 
>>>>> well. 
>>>>> The Hunq and Bomba can take the weight, but they might leave me feeling 
>>>>> scrunched with limited space between the saddle and the child seat. Maybe 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> could get a long stem and a set of Boscos and try it out?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I've re-read many of the old posts about the Rosco Baby, and 
>>>>> even though it's hard to find a ton of info on these I decided that 
>>>>> ideally 
>>>>> I'd get a large Rosco Baby. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Did the Rosco baby come in three sizes S, M, L (58) or was there an XL 
>>>>> (62-64)?  I've already sent out a few feelers hoping some kiddos are 
>>>>> outgrowing theirs in the next few months but my ask is that *if 
>>>>> anyone is considering selling a large Rosco baby, please ping me - I'm 
>>>>> open 
>>>>> to buying the frame or complete anytime between now and next summer.*
>>>>>
>>>>> In case I don't get the Rosco, I also re-read many threads on Clem vs 
>>>>> Susie vs Platypus, etc. I discarded the Platy, not sure why but my 
>>>>> current 
>>>>> alternative ideas are: 
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Buy Ryan's Susie, but I'm not sure it'll handle as well as the baby 
>>>>> and the swoopy top tube doesn't make of a true step-thru mound/dismount 
>>>>> but 
>>>>> it might work.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Get one of those upcoming Clem L's - maybe a 64 to have a longer 
>>>>> ETT. I'll slam the seat down, like Grant's 64 Clem which was posted on 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> blug a while back.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think? Would you try the Bomba? Is a Susie a good option? 
>>>>> Or should it really be a Gus to take the extra (up to 33lbs max on the 
>>>>> Yepp) weight? Or should I just get a Clem and call it a day?
>>>>>
>>>>> Then again, if the Rosco Baby and the Clem are so similar, why was 
>>>>> Grant looking for a Rosco baby not long ago, knowing the Clems would be 
>>>>> in 
>>>>> stock in April? The head tube angle and stoutness might not be the same? 
>>>>> Am 
>>>>> I over-optimizing again?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Max
>>>>>
>>>>

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