I don't know about the later Clems, but an issue on my OG Clementine is that wide tires interfere with the double kickstand. Not likely a problem with 650b - 48s but starting at about 55 (2.15") width, the tires touch the kickstand - had to oval the mounting hole. 2.4s rubbed the kickstand very badly. I like how the Gus has an offset kickstand hole. Do the later Clems have the offset kickstand hole also?
Laing On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 4:09:14 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote: > All the happiness and all the joy!!! I can run what I want! I was getting > ready to pitch the whole project when I thought I might have to build new > wheels - quite the investment for something I’m only experimenting with, > plus I had dyno in my old wheelset. I’m getting 48s because I absolutely > CAN!!!! I’ll take it to the shop and report back later on what tires I end > up with. > > On Jun 11, 2023, at 1:37 PM, Bob Ehrenbeck <ree...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > 48s are absolutely fine on Pacenti Brevets. > > https://www.renehersecycles.com/gravel-myths-3-wide-tires-need-wide-rims/ > > https://www.renehersecycles.com/myth-18-wide-tires-need-wide-rims/ > > Bob E > Cranford, NJ > On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 2:59:59 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote: > >> The internal width is 19mm. A 48 might benefit from a slightly wider >> internal width but it should be just fine with the 19. I am not an expert >> in such things though. >> >> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 1:10:03 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote: >> >>> Can anyone here confirm that she can run 48s tubed on those Pacenti >>> Brevet rims? I checked their site and got nowhere, it shows a graph with 42 >>> yes, 50 no. What about 48?? >>> >>> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 8:57:50 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote: >>> >>>> OH! I see. I don't know enough about tubeless to understand the fine >>>> details of size vs psi, etc. I have those rims on my ProtoGallop with 42's >>>> but I have tubes because it suits my brain better. >>>> >>>> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 8:39:59 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> They are, and in the myriad responses I’ve gotten (many private and >>>>> some on Instagram) it has been explained to me that if I want to run 48s >>>>> I >>>>> have two options: 1. Run tubeless but never more than 30 psi. Or, use >>>>> tubes. Or thirdly, but new wheels. >>>>> >>>>> Did I misunderstand? >>>>> L >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 11, 2023, at 6:22 AM, Johnny Alien <johnny....@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I was under the understanding that the current Pacenti Brevet rims >>>>> are tubeless ready. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://pacenticycledesign.com/collections/aluminium-rims-gravel-cross/products/brevet-rim-650b-1 >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 12:38:32 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What Gil says resonates with me. I love how you love a Clem! All >>>>>> those attributes truly do make the Clem a gem. I have favored those >>>>>> Platys >>>>>> as of late, but I am going back to Clem-loving again soon. We are >>>>>> traveling >>>>>> right now, but when I get back I’m heading to the bike shop to see about >>>>>> putting 48s on my Clem if the Pacenti Brevet rims will take them. Sounds >>>>>> like if they aren’t tubeless, it’s ok. We’ll see. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 9, 2023, at 3:15 PM, Gill <crgi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The fact that the OP’s query has already been thoroughly dealt with >>>>>> won’t dissuade me from chiming in on a subject near and dear (besides, >>>>>> if >>>>>> posters were not able to beat dead horses this forum would have >>>>>> dissolved >>>>>> years ago). I own a Clem and ride off road, gravel/trail riding is the >>>>>> fourth most favorite thing I do in life. I highly encourage others to do >>>>>> it >>>>>> on a Clem. Opinion, highly subjective, yes, but I do have a kind of data >>>>>> point. Usually I’m solo but last summer I joined a group ride (my >>>>>> daughter >>>>>> said I needed to make new friends). This served as a good barometer of >>>>>> how >>>>>> Clem compared with other “gravel” bikes. My inaugural ride was 19 miles >>>>>> moving at a good clip, mostly off-road at the end of which another rider >>>>>> smiled and said “You just ride that thing don’t you“. I translated that >>>>>> to, >>>>>> “turns out that’s a nice bicycle and my unspoken questioning of its >>>>>> appropriateness for this ride was unfounded, my apologies“. Worth >>>>>> noting, >>>>>> unlike Kai’s tough looking Clem mine is a Riv blue step thru and gets no >>>>>> respect. The qualities that make the Clem a good gravel bike are those >>>>>> that >>>>>> make it a good bike period: bulletproof frame, long wheel base, stable >>>>>> handling, gearing that gets you over/through anything you have any >>>>>> business >>>>>> being on, fits most any tire and uber comfortable. I might add that part >>>>>> of >>>>>> that comfort comes from the bosco bars – Clems suspension system –a >>>>>> swept >>>>>> back pliant trail chatter sponge that doesn’t compromise control. So >>>>>> resist >>>>>> the temptation to immediately switch em out for off-road. Happy trails. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Gil >>>>>> Gloucester >>>>>> On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 1:30:01 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Kai, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My compliments on your Clem! Your portfolio of images really >>>>>>> displays the Clems versatility, and I might add, your creativity. An >>>>>>> ideal >>>>>>> bike for NY/Brooklyn terrain. >>>>>>> The adjustable bottom bracket is pretty cool too:-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Rich in ATL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 9:16:23 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many photos of many states of Clem H, all gravel ready- >>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/uxqm63W2nB5scvmg7 >>>>>>>> -Kai >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:06:54 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [image: PXL_20230606_164339003.jpg] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This thread needs less opinions and more inpirational photos of >>>>>>>>> Gravel Clems. Just my opinion. :P >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 12:02:41 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm not going to provide specific tire recommendations, but I >>>>>>>>>> ride "gravel" and single-track quiet a bit on my Roadini. I still >>>>>>>>>> remember >>>>>>>>>> that time in the 1990s when I was riding with Bridgestone-sponsored >>>>>>>>>> cyclist >>>>>>>>>> Eric House, and we all showed up in the East Bay proud of ourselves >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> riding road bikes on a Grant ride. Grant showed up on a fixie with >>>>>>>>>> 35mm >>>>>>>>>> tires and proceeded to outride us all on and off road. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A few principles: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - The lighter the rider, the smaller the tire you can get >>>>>>>>>> away with. At 140 pounds, I can ride fire roads with 25mm tires >>>>>>>>>> (or even >>>>>>>>>> 23, back when Michelin 23s were $10/pop!) >>>>>>>>>> - Tread or no tread doesn't matter as much as rider skill and >>>>>>>>>> speed. >>>>>>>>>> - Rider skill cannot be disentangled from bike fit. If the >>>>>>>>>> bike doesn't fit, you will find stuff scary that you can actually >>>>>>>>>> ride if >>>>>>>>>> the bike fit. I once accidentally raised my seat too high and >>>>>>>>>> discovered >>>>>>>>>> that stuff I could easily ride suddenly became hard! >>>>>>>>>> - The longer the ride and the steeper the climb, the more >>>>>>>>>> important weight becomes. I can ride big heavy tires if I'm only >>>>>>>>>> going to >>>>>>>>>> go downhill because a car did most of the work. But if I have to >>>>>>>>>> do a lot >>>>>>>>>> of climbing (some of which turns into hiking inevitably if you >>>>>>>>>> ride in >>>>>>>>>> mountainous areas), the lighter the bike the better off you are. >>>>>>>>>> - You can drop tire pressure far more than most tire pressure >>>>>>>>>> calculators will tell you to. I can run 700x40 tires measuring >>>>>>>>>> 38mm at >>>>>>>>>> 25psi (the Rene Herse calculator will recommend 33psi) when I'm >>>>>>>>>> riding off >>>>>>>>>> pavement. On the pavement that same pressure will feel >>>>>>>>>> inefficient. I go so >>>>>>>>>> far as to carry a pressure gauge to drop tire pressure at the >>>>>>>>>> trail head >>>>>>>>>> and pump up the tires when I transition off a dirt descent onto >>>>>>>>>> pavement >>>>>>>>>> for the ride home. >>>>>>>>>> - Bigger tires affect handling - one reason I don't ride with >>>>>>>>>> as big a tire as I can get away with is that you lose some >>>>>>>>>> agility. >>>>>>>>>> Frequently I find that being able to steer precisely and quickly >>>>>>>>>> offsets >>>>>>>>>> the inability to plow through some obstacle head on. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What I do notice is that most people don't like to underbike. >>>>>>>>>> They will make comments that I won't be able to do a ride on my 25mm >>>>>>>>>> tires >>>>>>>>>> and then be all surprised when I show up and do the ride. But when >>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>> touring I'm not going to bring 3 different bikes, so I just push the >>>>>>>>>> limits >>>>>>>>>> and go slower and occasionally depend on pulling a spare tire out of >>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>> saddle bag if a tire were to shred during a tour (which can happen >>>>>>>>>> even if >>>>>>>>>> you're not riding off pavement). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>> the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/f8_g6tiXU7o/unsubscribe >>>>>> . >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/050e6400-cfc5-4a18-9b7e-4f05b691b45cn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/050e6400-cfc5-4a18-9b7e-4f05b691b45cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/f8_g6tiXU7o/unsubscribe >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f1bc50da-bf18-4c45-b61a-d0a86d62ead0n%40googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f1bc50da-bf18-4c45-b61a-d0a86d62ead0n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/f8_g6tiXU7o/unsubscribe > . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ee370f8f-07d8-415f-b1fe-e3f785247370n%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ee370f8f-07d8-415f-b1fe-e3f785247370n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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