Garth, FWIW I really like those VO Grand Cru calipers. I replaced a set of 
Record 80's calipers/brake levers with Grand Crus and the TRP levers 
someone posted about recently and it's a combo I've been really happy 
with.If it matters, a number of years ago in *Bicycle Quarterly* Jan Heine 
did an extensive and favorable review of this brakeset ...not sure if it's 
available online or not. But to my mind they really work well...although I 
admit I don't live in the mountains. They're good-looking brakes as 
well.$175 per set does not seem unreasonable

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 6:18:36 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

>
> I have no idea where the frames are being made or any of the other 
> particulars beyond what was printed by VO. Taiwan is likely of course as I 
> think that's where they have the majority of the business relationships. 
> I'm eager to try their Grand Cru calipers too. I've never used any caliper 
> besides a Suntour somethingoranother in the 70's and Campy Record of the 
> 80's. 
>
> The main difference with the VO and the Riv models is one of how the rider 
> is positioned over the BB. The VO is much more body forward, with a steeper 
> seat tube angle(73.5 vs. 72), and notably more reach and longer font end. 
> Also more fork rake, less trail, around 51 think, and a higher BB, all of 
> which suits me. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:42:04 PM UTC-4 jrst wrote:
>
> Garth, looks really nice. Are they made in Taiwan? Enjoy 
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:09 PM Garth  wrote:
>
> I pre-ordered the VO Rando today. Through the 6th the frames are 
> discounted 20% for pre-orders.  I hadn't even been aware of them. Road bike 
> heaven, Yippee ! 
>
> I finally got the drop bars on my Franklin and I had forgotten how much I 
> love riding them, so I'm going the exact opposite of what Riv is doing, I'm 
> all in on going back to pure road bikes. 
>
> https://velo-orange.com/products/rando-frameset
>
>
>

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