Hi Chester, I thank-you for your truthful and reality check, regarding the impossibility of feeling secure over and through the internet these days. It is like you can run, but you cannot hide from the vast available information on the internet about you and other people.
Kim Hetzel, who once lived in the South Bay Area and moved north over 40 years ago. Yelm, WA. On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 2:25:51 PM UTC-7 Chester wrote: > I don't want to come across as being an alarmist or encouraging people to > be paranoid but if someone has your full name and city of residence, it can > take just a few seconds of Internet searching to get your address. It's > easier to find the right listing if the name is more unique and/or the city > is smaller. > > It's pretty much impossible to obscure yourself if you shop online. When > you enter in your purchasing/shipping information, that information will > get resold to companies that sell access to databases. But, without paying > a dime, it's easy to look up a name and find current and prior addresses, > phone numbers, e-mail addresses, names of people one lived with, etc. > There's also harvesting of property tax records and other data sources. > > All that said, I doubt that there is much appeal in a bike thief trying to > specifically target Rivendell owners for home burglaries. There are much > more common and more valuable bicycles to target that are also much more > easy to sell on the down-low. And there are a lot of more seemingly > prevalent ways for thieves to find targets. Follow riders they see riding > expensive rigs. Drive through neighborhoods and notice what's inside of > open garages. Look for $1000+ bike racks on vehicles. Or just take an angle > grinder out on the streets. > > Chester > SF Bay Area > On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 2:03:51 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> Apologies for the late response. I've been out canoeing and camping in >> this gorgeous Fall weather! >> >> So far, anybody who has asked to be removed has been so (with the >> exception of Stoker because I can't find you on the map). >> >> I have also removed a few street addresses upon request and changed them >> to crossroads in your town. >> >> Again, if you like the map and want to be on it, but are uncomfortable >> with your location being known, please choose a taco stand, the police >> station, or the local food bank as your address. >> >> If you want out, please let me know and give me your name and town as you >> appear on the map. >> >> Cheers, John >> >> >> >> >> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 5:53:12 PM UTC-7 Benjamin Kelley wrote: >> >>> and for those that failed to read the actual website before raising >>> their hackles and wildly speculating and adding unrelated stories, If you >>> don't want to put your home address, it recommends hoosing a random address >>> in your town or vague lat/long to add some anonymity but also to keep the >>> markers from overlapping when just entering the city. >>> >>> Not sure what all the fuss is about eitherway. 1: this has nothing to do >>> with reddit other than that's where the link to the existing site was >>> posted. 2: The site was originally posted on iBOB long ago, and I think >>> here too. >>> 3: Everyone self signed up, it's not like this was data scraped from >>> other sources or from any sales records. >>> Nobody's info is out there that didn't want it out there. >>> >>> --ben in KC >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 1:35 PM Brian Turner <brok...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Seems like the solution to this would be to just pick a random point in >>>> your city, or a favorite establishment’s address, or a park or what have >>>> you. Let that be your location on the map. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 2:28 PM, Caroline Golum <carolin...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Seems like the subreddit is pretty sparsely attended so at least >>>> there's that! >>>> >>>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> John — Of course the map itself doesn't have a dark-sided or hidden >>>>> intent. I know you're trying to help people connect and I appreciate the >>>>> gesture. However there is no telling what people can and will do with a >>>>> database like this. Because this forum is visible to the public I would >>>>> never add my street address. I am reminded of a story about someone who >>>>> had >>>>> two valuable Rene Herse bicycles stolen and they later figured out their >>>>> home address was visible on Strava. >>>>> >>>>> It seems the Reddit post was deleted but the original map is easy to >>>>> find here. I know it's uncomfortable to think that people could use this >>>>> information for nefarious purposes. But the fun and innocent oroginal >>>>> intent doesn't reduce the risk. I think because the visible members of >>>>> the >>>>> forum are kind and generous it's easy to think that anyone reading our >>>>> posts has a similar mindset. But as we've seen with some recent scam >>>>> sales >>>>> there are registered members looking to take advantage of others. And, >>>>> again, the entire forum is publicly visible to anyone with an internet >>>>> connect. >>>>> >>>>> Just my perspective with an interest in looking out for other board >>>>> members. >>>>> >>>>> Eric >>>>> Fredericksburg, USA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:17:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, I put Eric's address as my own... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:28:43 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Good morning Kim and all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you for the heads-up on the Reddit thing. I'm not sure what it >>>>>>> means that someone copied the map. Does this mean they've copied all >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> data as well? For benign or nefarious purposes? Maybe they just think >>>>>>> it's >>>>>>> cool? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Has anybody who posted on the map recently had their bike stolen >>>>>>> from their garage? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not quite sure what to say other than what seemed like a fun, >>>>>>> innocent idea obviously is perceived to have a darker side. I get the >>>>>>> reality of our world, but I choose to move through it assuming the best >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> people, and such efforts are born from this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will go through the spreadsheet and where there are house numbers >>>>>>> listed I'll delete the numbers, if that might make some feel more >>>>>>> secure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please shoot me an email if you wish to be deleted from the map or >>>>>>> to change your address to a cross street or a taco stand. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:56:58 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I listed an address of my fave fish taco spot as my home address :) >>>>>>>> Be careful out there y’all >>>>>>>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:33:50 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hopefully this is the closest this list ever gets to the Nextdoor >>>>>>>>> app. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Ted W <ted.l...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> An innocent idea but on the public Internet, quite dangerous. >>>>>>>>> Sure, the odds are low that someone will use the information >>>>>>>>> maliciously, >>>>>>>>> but why risk it? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 7:58 AM Eric Marth <eric...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I love how many people listed their home addresses so you can go >>>>>>>>>> and snag their Rivs out of their sheds! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 10:35:39 PM UTC-4 >>>>>>>>>> krhe...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello John Rinker ...... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kim Hetzel. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:33:41 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I noticed this just a while ago: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivendell_Bicycles/comments/16ivfb0/rivendell_bike_owner_map/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have no association with the OP whatsoever. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is this going to be of a great concern or not ? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kim Hetzel >>>>>>>>>>>> Yelm, WA. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/17f55551-e65c-4b11-8b9e-4ec848a4f672n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/17f55551-e65c-4b11-8b9e-4ec848a4f672n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CANCvShpYVyn3uXDRKOojEb9YKN14Bdex_NKLE%2BFJvyEn67Dw%3Dg%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CANCvShpYVyn3uXDRKOojEb9YKN14Bdex_NKLE%2BFJvyEn67Dw%3Dg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d167bc01-b368-4d40-b580-73b25dc3dc3cn%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d167bc01-b368-4d40-b580-73b25dc3dc3cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2BD2F35D-46E7-46AF-80A6-A5F823A95390%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2BD2F35D-46E7-46AF-80A6-A5F823A95390%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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