Yes that geo diagram is what my fit requirements are all about. 

On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 1:55:42 PM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:

> Yes, much - 
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5bb29e327581960016665a32,6207ee4bee32e9001d9b652c
> ,
>
> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 4:51:31 PM UTC-4 eddietheflay wrote:
>
>> Truth be told I prefer as much stack as possible due to needing bars 
>> significantly above saddle height. I could do that with the Crust but my 
>> stem might look like it's touching the sky. Of course as mentioned above I 
>> know I like light better but the Riv geo is better for my fit and aesthetic 
>> preferences. Headtube on Crust is typical old style short and I think 
>> (while not quoted by Riv) that the Roadini is taller.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 1:27:35 PM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> I'm currently selling a pre-production XL Malocchio & have actually 
>>> ridden both...and am looking for a 57cm Roadini. They are very different. 
>>> The Malocchio is incredibly lightweight. My XL, which is technically a 63cm 
>>> frame, weighs 6.3 lbs for the frame, fork, and headset with spacers. I can 
>>> say from the experience of owning a lot of XL steel frames that it's at 
>>> least a pound lighter all together than any classic lightweight steel bike 
>>> I've owned in that size (62cm & up).
>>> As to the ride the Malocchio rides like a straight up road bike (my 
>>> points of comparison are my old RB-1 & my old Bianchi Reparto Corse with 
>>> EL/OS). It just happens to fit 42s (at least the pre-production model does) 
>>> & is aluminum light. I feel like people trying to pigeonhole the Roadini 
>>> has been beat into the ground so I'm not going to compare the two other 
>>> than saying they ride very different. The Malocchio is very responsive & 
>>> the Roadini (to me) rides like a springy Riv. 
>>> As to one being more or less multi-purpose? It really depends on what 
>>> you want to do and how you like a bike to fit & feel. 42 width tires can 
>>> take you a lot of places.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 2:27:08 PM UTC-5 eddietheflay wrote:
>>>
>>>> Seems the Crust would be more road racy and the Riv more long, relaxed 
>>>> and multi purpose. I know we're not supposed to talk about weight but I 
>>>> can't help wondering if there's much difference one vs the other. Just 
>>>> wondering.
>>>
>>>

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