Thanks, Tom; these look great, too. I want to see the rack "in person" before I buy it, so I'll put this one on my list to check on!
On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 3:47 AM Tom Horton <swanf...@gmail.com> wrote: > Re rack i have been using a swagman with the largest clem and platy and > it works well > It is more affordable than 1up likely not as good but all i have needed > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 5, 2023, at 8:49 AM, rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: > > > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/rbw-owners-bunch/topics> > Google > Groups > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email/#!overview> > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email/#!overview> > Topic digest > View all topics > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/rbw-owners-bunch/topics> > > - Bike Rack <#m_6635871406479065894_group_thread_0> - 9 Updates > - Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023 > <#m_6635871406479065894_group_thread_1> - 1 Update > - FS: Silver Cranks, Brooks B67S, Nitto R10, etc > <#m_6635871406479065894_group_thread_2> - 1 Update > - Differences between Sam Hillborne and A Homer Hilsen > <#m_6635871406479065894_group_thread_3> - 2 Updates > - WTB: Silver Triple & Wavie Bar > <#m_6635871406479065894_group_thread_4> - 3 Updates > - FS/WTT: Rene Herse Triple crank with 2 extra rings > <#m_6635871406479065894_group_thread_5> - 1 Update > - FS: Roadini frame set 47cm (650b) GraySilver > <#m_6635871406479065894_group_thread_6> - 1 Update > - Style on the bike <#m_6635871406479065894_group_thread_7> - 2 Updates > > Bike Rack > <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/938279d27b4bdd7?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > SallyG <3mun...@gmail.com>: Nov 04 12:35PM -0700 > > Hi all! > Any bike rack you'd recommend for Clem Smith L 45 cm and future Platy 50 > cm > for husband? Kuat or? Model? Thanks for any help! > Sally > Johnny Alien <johnny.alien...@gmail.com>: Nov 04 01:44PM -0700 > > For like a car? If so 1UP will be my whole hearted recommendation. Best > product I ever bought and works great for long wheelbases. > > On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 3:35:15 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote: > > 3mun...@gmail.com: Nov 04 02:00PM -0700 > > Thanks Johnny! Subaru XTrek 2 inch hitch. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 4, 2023, at 1:44 PM, Johnny Alien <johnny.alien...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > For like a car? If so 1UP will be my whole hearted recommendation. Best > product I ever bought and works great for long wheelbases. > > On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 3:35:15 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote: > > Hi all! > > Any bike rack you'd recommend for Clem Smith L 45 cm and future Platy 50 > cm for husband? Kuat or? Model? Thanks for any help! > > Sally > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4e0de1c2-316a-451e-bd54-99dc0a2b54dfn%40googlegroups.com > . > Ted W <ted.l.w...@gmail.com>: Nov 04 05:53PM -0400 > > Highly recommend the Kuat NV2 or 1UP as previously recommended. I have the > NV2 and it’s the best rack I’ve ever owned. Can easily carry any bike I > have. The only one that pushes the limits a bit is my Gus, I wouldn’t want > to try anything longer. The only reason I didn’t get the 1UP was due to > availability at the time. > > Sally Bidleman <3mun...@gmail.com>: Nov 04 04:29PM -0700 > > Thanks, Ted! I just checked our local bike shop and, while they don't have > 1UP, they can bring a Kuat NV2 down the grade from their warehouse in a > couple days for us to try. Very excited to expand our biking radius, albeit > (partially) by auto! Now, if I can only locate a Jakob Ingebrigtsen running > cap for my son's birthday, I'll be 2 for 2 today, ha. > > Appreciate this group!! > > Brian Turner <brokeb...@gmail.com>: Nov 04 07:50PM -0400 > > I share Ted's praise of the Küat NV2.0. Mine has been one of the best bike > investments I've made. It fits my 50” wheelbase medium Gus no problem, > although it pushes it to its absolute maxium. When they say 50” is the max. > wheelbase, they mean it. > > 1Up makes a very fine rack, but if your bike has fenders, or if you think > you'll want to carry a friend's bike who has fenders, you may want to > consider the Küat over the 1Up. Reason being, the Küat swing arm will still > securely hold the front wheel as long as you get it as close to the front > edge of the fender as possible. Unlike the 1Up, there's no rear swing arm > on the Küat to clamp down on (and potentially deform) your rear fender. My > Küat has carried multiple fendered bikes thousands of miles on long road > trips with no issues whatsoever. > > On Nov 4, 2023, at 7:29 PM, Sally Bidleman <3mun...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Thanks, Ted! I just checked our local bike shop and, while they don't have > 1UP, they can bring a Kuat NV2 down the grade from their warehouse in a > couple days for us to try. Very excited to expand our biking radius, albeit > (partially) by auto! Now, if I can only locate a Jakob Ingebrigtsen running > cap for my son's birthday, I'll be 2 for 2 today, ha. > > Appreciate this group!! > > On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 2:53 PM Ted W <ted.l.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Highly recommend the Kuat NV2 or 1UP as previously recommended. I have the > NV2 and it's the best rack I've ever owned. Can easily carry any bike I > have. The only one that pushes the limits a bit is my Gus, I wouldn't want > to try anything longer. The only reason I didn't get the 1UP was due to > availability at the time. > > On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 5:00 PM <3mun...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks Johnny! Subaru XTrek 2 inch hitch. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 4, 2023, at 1:44 PM, Johnny Alien <johnny.alien...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > For like a car? If so 1UP will be my whole hearted recommendation. Best > product I ever bought and works great for long wheelbases. > > On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 3:35:15 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote: > > Hi all! > > Any bike rack you'd recommend for Clem Smith L 45 cm and future Platy 50 > cm for husband? Kuat or? Model? Thanks for any help! > > Sally > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4e0de1c2-316a-451e-bd54-99dc0a2b54dfn%40googlegroups.com > . > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/84631D7A-9CE1-4B65-BFDB-D2190BF1A880%40gmail.com > . > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CANCvShpbynfsM%3D9hhQ0zFVh%2BBcF%3D9yrQc6RMumha-mWuMzsq7w%40mail.gmail.com > . > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CABey9MXeqz9j1rmHpOia%3DusnMSFCRY4npJAUDPVsN6H_Zn9UNw%40mail.gmail.com > . > Sally Bidleman <3mun...@gmail.com>: Nov 04 05:01PM -0700 > > Hi Brian, > > Great info, especially re: the fenders! I have fenders on my Clem and just > ordered some for my husband's incoming Platypus. > > Thanks much! > > "peech1...@yahoo.com" <peech1...@yahoo.com>: Nov 05 04:09AM -0800 > > The Hollywood bike carrier accomodates wider tires, longer wheelbases and > fenders. Fairly low price. well made. I have been pleased with it for the > 2 years I have been using it. > > On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 7:01:51 PM UTC-5 SallyG wrote: > > Johnny Alien <johnny.alien...@gmail.com>: Nov 05 04:54AM -0800 > > 1UP does sell Fender Cushions as an accessory to add on. > > https://1up-usa.com/product/fender-cushion > > Back to top <#m_6635871406479065894_digest_top> > Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023 > <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/fcc6e9b282045fda?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > Jason Fuller <jtf.ful...@gmail.com>: Nov 04 07:26PM -0700 > > This year's foliage has been particularly great owing to the sudden cold > snap a couple weeks ago. From today's adventure - I have many more photos > of the foliage but I think the size of this thread is stopping me from > being able to share more > > [image: PXL_20231104_220015824.jpg] > > On Thursday, 5 October 2023 at 12:34:53 UTC-7 DavidP wrote: > > Back to top <#m_6635871406479065894_digest_top> > FS: Silver Cranks, Brooks B67S, Nitto R10, etc > <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/8f6772d3e1ef030b?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > jaredwilson <duh...@gmail.com>: Nov 04 05:21PM -0700 > > Bump, all still available :) > > On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 3:29:27 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote: > > Back to top <#m_6635871406479065894_digest_top> > Differences between Sam Hillborne and A Homer Hilsen > <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/cf174441e9849bcd?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > Greg J <gregkj...@gmail.com>: Nov 04 02:45PM -0700 > > That seat stay cap was used across various models - I don't know if it is > a > Riv-sourced custom piece - but it doesn't have anything to do with > Waterford (nor is it intended to be a "W" - just a decoration. > > On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 3:51:23 PM UTC-7 Hetchins52 wrote: > > Brian Turner <brokeb...@gmail.com>: Nov 04 07:40PM -0400 > > Correct. I've seen the “w” caps on Toyo and Waterford Rivs alike. > > On Nov 4, 2023, at 5:45 PM, Greg J <gregkj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > That seat stay cap was used across various models - I don't know if it is > a Riv-sourced custom piece - but it doesn't have anything to do with > Waterford (nor is it intended to be a "W" - just a decoration. > > On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 3:51:23 PM UTC-7 Hetchins52 wrote: > > Here's mine. A Toyo by its serial number and Frank's pics. You can see one > of the third water bottle mounts at the top in the photo. > > Year? I don't know. I bought the frameset third-hand, six years ago, and > thought it might be 2009 using some of the info on CycloFiend. > > David > > On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 2:47:51 PM UTC-7 frank_a wrote: > > 7052F7D8-A7C3-40E9-BF7D-7549C10B03C0.jpeg > C25083FA-4E17-4971-90D1-18B4084AC777.jpeg > > The serial number will tell you if it's a Toyo or Waterford built frame. > > Toyo serial numbers are large and run across the bb shell while the > Waterford numbers are smaller and are oriented around the shell, parallel > to the outer edge. One photo is a Saluki and the other photo is a Waterford > built Rosco. > > The Toyo Atlantis' read: AT0001 and so on, Homer: AH0001 > > SA0026 - the 26th Saluki > > - Frank > > On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 11:26:35 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote: > > I looked on Cyclofiend and where they were visible, the Atlantises all > appeared to have the W. It may not be related to Waterford after all. > > Laing > > On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 10:48:29 AM UTC-4 Danny wrote: > > The early Atlantis brochures show the W on the seat stay cap with Toyo > being the only listed builder in the brochures. My Riv knowledge is not > very deep, so perhaps Waterford was building the Atlantis as well at that > time? or Riv was buying the seat stay caps from them? > > Atlantis 2001 brochure > > Atlantis 2002 brochure > > Screen Shot 2022-09-02 at 9.15.04 AM Medium.jpeg > > Screen Shot 2022-09-02 at 9.36.37 AM Medium.jpeg > > -Danny > > On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 7:41 AM Bill Schairer <comm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > In general, is one not able to tell from the serial number? > > Bill S > > San Diego > > On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 11:50:12 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote: > > That is a first class detail. Don't believe it was on my formerly owned > 2014 Waterford Atlantis so perhaps the W was featured on certain models? I > am fond of concave seat stay caps though. Happy that they're on my Sam. > > Best, > > Rich in ATL > > On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 1:06 PM, JJ <junes...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Laing, thanks for the interesting bit about Waterford-built frames. This > is the first I hear. I never noticed the W as a deliberate W (as opposed to > being strictly an embellishment) on my Waterford Hunqapillar, so it was > cool to see it for what it is. I had to check the other Rivs in the stable, > all Toyo built, and of course none has the W. > > Thanks again! > > Hunq Waterford seat stay end.jpeg > > On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 9:47:06 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote: > > Don't Waterford frames have a distinctive seat stay end cap with a 'W" in > the recess - my Bombadil does. This is a better picture from the Waterford > site, but the same as my Bombadil: > > 6881680380_566caa3985_z-nwiouwjw51r3qwj11ieoc8axc7o69w290ux5x1it4w.jpg > > Laing > > On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 3:05:54 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote: > > THAT'S it. I knew there was a difference between the two but couldn't > remember the detail change. But I think yours is backwards, my recollection > is Toyo had two sets of bottle bosses and the later Waterford got the third > set. > > On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 12:01:05 AM UTC-7 Hetchins52 wrote: > > Not sure that it is totally definitive but I expect the Toyo AHH to have > three water bottle boss pairs and the Waterford to have two pairs (none > under the down tube). > > David Lipsky > > On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 7:11:42 PM UTC-7 James wrote: > > I have an older AHH. Anyone know how I can tell if it's Toyo or Waterford > made? > > On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 5:52:35 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote: > > I had an older MUSA AHH 61 (2006-ish?) and a Taiwan Sam 62 (2015-ish) with > 2TT and for a brief spell I also had a 2TT 58. All of them were 700C. I > should also say that they are all gone at this point, nothing wrong with > them except my own unnecessary searching for the next shiny object. > > Both are amazing frames and can be set up very similarly - I think your > tires, racks and handlebars would probably determine the feel and ride more > than the frame geo, tubing or anything else. > > Some details on the way mine were set up: both had front and rear racks, > sidepull brakes and short stems: > > AHH 700x38 + dropbars > > SH 62 700x44 + dropbars > > SH 58 700x42 + Albatross > > It has been said that the Sam is burlier or that the tubing on the Homer > is slightly lighter and the lugs are more elegant. To me, they were both > equally capable, perhaps the 2TT Sam felt a tad stiffer particularly when > loaded, but it certainly didn't feel slower. Also, at no point did I feel > like my AHH couldn't carry as much as the Sam. > > Are you trying to decide which one you'd buy? If so, I would choose based > on availability, color, badge, name, which one do you find more beautiful? > Oh and sizing: which one fits you better? If you can find a frame where you > fall in the middle of the suggested PBH range for either the Sam or the AHH > I would choose that. > > Not sure if this helps, but I think Grant said it best when he said it was > hard to tell one from the other when you were riding them. > > Best. > > Max > > On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 4:38:49 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote: > > Dave Grossman > > What made your the Roadini a superior all around bike compared your > AHH-MUSA/MUJ ??? Was the Roadini more lively, handle better, ride better, > or something else??? It seems the Roadini is more a pure road bike vs the > all around nature of the AHH. Just curious. > > John Hawrylak > > Woodstown NJ > > On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 10:25:19 PM UTC-4 Dave Grossman wrote: > > I have an older Homer (not sure if it is Waterford or Toyo but I'd like to > know actually) and having owned a Roadini I can say I find it a much > superior all around bike. I hadn't considered a Sam since I have a Hunq but > I can do light touring and backpacking with my Homer if I desire. I rotate > it in my commuter stable with the Hunq and I end up riding it quite often. > I currently have it set up with Crust Towel bars (with a large Fabs in the > middle!), VO fenders, and 44s. I have it maxed out, but it is such a great > ride. I've thought about getting a stripped road bike but the Homer is so > versatile. I think if I didn't have the Hunq, I'd be more inclined to get a > Sam. But if you already have a hauler an older Homer is the way to go. I > have a 63, which I am on the small side for with a 90 pbh, but it fits > great and I love the ride. My Hunq is a 58 and while I can clear a 62 (I've > ridden the 62 before) I love having the clearance that a slightly smaller > frame allows for the rough stuff. > > On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 4:27:16 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote: > > Just to be more confusing, I have a circa 2012 Homer, and I believe the > even sizes are 650b and the odd sizes are 700c, so there was some overlap > within some of the sizes. I have a 54 cm AHH 650b, and I believe the 55 cm > and 57 cm were 700c, while the 56 cm was 650b. > > My Homer maxed out at 38 mm tires + fenders--I've used Parimoto, Lierre, > GravelKing, and Soma Xpress, and all are good for me (depending upon the > application, eg. commute vs fast ride). My favorite tire size for 650b is > 42 mm, and I believe the Sam H can ride those with fenders, so I might lean > that direction if I had to choose. > > Toshi > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/zxdEQemEm80/unsubscribe > . > > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/90658a3b-4909-4f4f-b114-e02c77cacf32n%40googlegroups.com > . > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e6fa2abb-ebbc-4d11-8b81-1582d6500f6cn%40googlegroups.com > . > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/51ee74a2-de1d-4b12-bce4-acd2e81032f6n%40googlegroups.com > . > Back to top <#m_6635871406479065894_digest_top> > WTB: Silver Triple & Wavie Bar > <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/63c3784e95d4207c?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > James <jtpc...@gmail.com>: Nov 04 11:04AM -0700 > > Interested in a Nitto Wavie bar or something similar and a silver triple > crank, 173 or longer length. I have a RH triple for sale on another post > and am open to trades. > vernon brooks <plumbervern...@gmail.com>: Nov 04 11:14AM -0700 > > Hey James might be interested in the Rene Herse crank are you able to share > a link? > > James <jtpc...@gmail.com>: Nov 04 11:18AM -0700 > > Just posted it > Back to top <#m_6635871406479065894_digest_top> > FS/WTT: Rene Herse Triple crank with 2 extra rings > <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/ded2439695117460?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > James <jtpc...@gmail.com>: Nov 04 11:17AM -0700 > > Rene Herse triple with 2 extra rings. It really good shape and pretty sure > the extra rings are unused. 177 length. $700 value new, asking $500 + > shipping but please make offers. > > Open to trades for Silver Triple, Wavie Bars (or similar), paul thimbie > mounts, or a whole thumbie shifter set-up. Shimano shadow M592 rear > deraileur, a mid-range front deraileur, MKS monarch grips > Back to top <#m_6635871406479065894_digest_top> > FS: Roadini frame set 47cm (650b) GraySilver > <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/3f915392f8f8fa4f?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > Ashwath Akirekadu <ashw...@gmail.com>: Nov 04 09:56AM -0700 > > Price drop: now $750 > > Pickup is from Ashburn, VA > > > > On Sunday, 22 October 2023 at 19:13:56 UTC-4 Ashwath Akirekadu wrote: > > Back to top <#m_6635871406479065894_digest_top> > Style on the bike > <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/8c6858b31ac1ecb8?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com>: Nov 04 08:39AM -0600 > > Fashion (well, *civilian* fashion) left me behind long ago; I forget that > current men's dress pants are cut very tight and low. No, my pants are all > dad pants from 20+ years ago; I guess that makes them grandad pants. > > > > RichS <rshannon6...@gmail.com>: Nov 04 09:20AM -0700 > > Patrick, > > +1 on your church going cycling attire. The description is vivid enough so > I can clearly see it. Your warm weather sartorial choices are impressive > as > well. > I need to up my game and enhance my decade old Rivendell knickers. Thanks > for the inspiration:-) > > Best, > Rich in ATL > > > On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:28:12 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote: > > Back to top <#m_6635871406479065894_digest_top> > You received this digest because you're subscribed to updates for this > group. 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