I could never commit to full clips, and don't have a very "roadie" set-up 
on my bike, so for the last 10+ years I've done a combo of the MKS compact 
pedals and their half clips. I find it helpful when biking in heels, boots, 
flats, whatever, since I only ride in athletic shoes when I'm going a 
longer distance. 
[image: MKS Compact Road Bike Pedals 2colors][image: MKS Steel Deep Half 
Toe Clips – The Bikesmiths]
On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 2:38:43 AM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:

> I ride flats with pins.
> Fixed, technical singletrack, road, commuting. 
>
> I started with clips and plastic straps on mountain bike bear trap pedals, 
> then rode SPDs and then Eggbeaters. When my kid was little, I made 
> platforms for the eggbeaters by screwing cleats to platforms I cut out of 
> old skateboard decks so I could jump on the bike whenever my kid wanted to 
> go out for a ride. After riding on these platforms in all kinds of 
> conditions, like fixed gear singletrack, I realized I just needed platform 
> pedals, and I could retire the eggbeaters and the couture clip-in 
> platforms. 
>
> I try to cycle my shoes (mostly Chrome Kursks) from nice, to everyday, to 
> bike. 
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Cal. 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 5:44:43 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> First entry in new Blahg. And no, he doesn't; he reports someone's 
>> out-of-context judgment.
>>
>> But I'm curious how many on this RBW list like and use retention and how 
>> many don't; and of the former, how many use toe clips and how many use 
>> clipless systems -- and what kind.
>>
>> I'll start: I rode fast for years and thousands of miles in Keds with 
>> thick, soft soles and then rubber-soled lace ups of other sorts on 
>> un-clipped rat-trap pedals (and even rubber block pedals) until in about 
>> 1990 I got my first relatively expensive road bike (1989 Falcon, tout 531C 
>> with Sante group) and decided largely because of bike mag content that I'd 
>> better get with the retention program. I started with Bata Bikers and clips 
>> and straps, graduated to clips and straps and slotted cleats, then pretty 
>> quickly switched to the burgeoning varieties of clipless -- Sampson 
>> Stratics, Grafton "Erector Set" road and mtb pedals, Speedplay X1s and 
>> Frogs, Looks of various sorts, and finally SPDs, road and mtb (by "road" I 
>> mean the ones that came out for about 1 season long long ago with the mtb 
>> mechanism). 
>>
>> A couple of years ago I tried platforms with spikes and no-retention 
>> shoes but after about a month of annoyance always shifting my foot to find 
>> the right position I gave up and went back to SPDs. I've got SPDs on all my 
>> bikes though I've got a very nice set of XC Pros + clips and straps + 
>> almost-as-new wood-soled Duegis with cleats that I'd like to try -- I found 
>> slotted cleats with semi-tight straps easier with a fixed drivetrain than 
>> Look Keos -- except that SPDs are so perfect.
>>
>> So, I've round that having gotten used to retention I find it very hard 
>> to give it up. I daresay that this habituation is stronger since so much of 
>> my riding is on fixed drivetrains, but I'd still want at least clips and 
>> loose-ish straps with rubber soles for any freewheel drivetrain.
>>
>> But again, SPDs just feel so perfect that I will probably just stay with 
>> them.
>>
>> Best wishes to all for the Christmas season.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, finishing up a late resume on Xmas eve in ABQ, NM.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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