Johnny Alien said: "I am confused..." but then explained why he doesn't want to buy a Roaduno.
You don't sound confused to me. You sound like you've considered the bike and don't want to buy one. I'm not going to buy one either, but my reasons are different. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 9:12:07 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote: > I am confused and its probably just that I am not the market for a bike > like this. I feel like once you decide you want a few gears its easier to > do a 1x7 for limited gears than 3x1. And big jumps on the front will be > fidgity anyway. Understanding that the idea is to stick in one gear most of > the time but I still don't see the value. Either you want a 1x or you want > a few options and if you want a few options 7 is theoretically better than > 3. > > On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 11:37:14 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote: > >> While im at it: >> >> Seat stays: >> QB and SO attached to the seat tube cluster with traditional brazed >> "spoons." Unlike their contemporary production models (rambouillet, >> saluki, atlantis), they weren't double-tapered (they only got skinnier at >> the bottom end) so that fewer lengths were needed. Frank and Roaduno use >> the newer ball-and-socket connection, that doesn't rely on the shear >> strength of brazing for structral integrity. At the bottom, QB and SO were >> also brazed (slotted) at the dropout plate. Frank and Roaduno are tig >> welded to a breezer-esque, cast, hooded flange. >> >> Paint: >> QB and SO were simple, single-color. Decals were on TOP of the paint (at >> least with QB.) Intent was to keep the bike inexpensive and utiliarian. >> Frank and Roaduno are fancy with creme head tube and window fill >> highlights. >> >> >> On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 8:55:35 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote: >> >>> I believe that the Roaduno is going to be 120mm spaced, just like the >>> Quickbeam/Simple One and Frank Jones Sr. (I'm going from memory from >>> following the updates too, though). The idea behind the hanger is more >>> that it could accommodate a chain tensioner than a derailleur. For >>> whatever reason, Rivendell is currently enamored with a >>> multiple-chainring/single-cog approach to achieving multi-speed >>> drivetrains. >>> >>> Nonetheless, there are still some 120mm cassette hubs out there, that >>> take truncated gear clusters. I seem to recall Grand Bois and the new >>> Suntour group. There are also several internal geared hubs that are 120mm >>> OLN. >>> >>> Ignoring any ride quality differences, which we of course can't answer >>> (but Will did address in the recent email), I think the differences between >>> the Roaduno and other Riv single-speeds goes like this: >>> >>> Size range: >>> Quickbeam came in the relatively small 2cm size increments that Riv used >>> in the earlier years. The >>> classic-but-surprisingly-rare-for-production-bikes way of ensuring that >>> there was a frame to fit everyone properly. Simple One was a geometic >>> clone of the Quickbeam, but wasn't offered in the really huge or really >>> small sizes. Frank was ONLY produced in small to medium sizes, because it >>> was intended specifically for the Japanese market, where people tend to >>> have a shorter stature. Roaduno follows Rivs newer "expanded" sizing >>> method, which started with the Sam Hillbourne, I believe: sloped top tubes >>> allow more standover AND taller stack heights, and longer top tubes allow >>> for reach-back bars and/or shorter stems to dial in the fit for more >>> riders. Fewer frame sizes (and fewer fork steerer lengths) is cheaper and >>> avoids having to buy mimimum quantities of niche sizes that take forever to >>> sell. >>> >>> Lugs: >>> All three are fully-lugged. Frank had the extra-fancy ones, which were >>> previously only used on customs. >>> >>> Fork Crown / Tire Clearance: >>> First QBs had the (narrowest) RC02 crown, but that wasn't really the >>> tight spot anyway. The chainstays were. With wheels toward the back of >>> the dropout, you could fit maybe 44mm with fenders. (Officially less) >>> Later QBs and SOs had a wider crown. I don't know about Frank, but suspect >>> it had slightly more tire clearance simply because available tire >>> technology and sizes had progressed so much further by then. Roaduno is >>> getting the unique Appaloosa crown which COULD take a 55mm or so but, >>> because it's being used with caliper brakes, is limited to 50mm or so. >>> >>> Brakes: >>> QB and SO had cantis. Frank and Roaduno use caliper (or center-pull). >>> Roaduno (maybe Frank too?) need long-reach. >>> >>> Chainstays; >>> Roaduno has longer stays, though that appears to have been significantly >>> tempered over the evolution of the prototypes. >>> >>> Dropouts: >>> QB and SO had water-jet cut plate steel dropouts with the slot cut at a >>> slope, so that the brake pads would hit the rim no matter where in the slot >>> the wheel was clamped. It was intended to see frequent manual gear changes >>> by moving the chain to adjacent cog and/or chainring, either of which would >>> change the effecive chainstay length. It could accommodate an 8 tooth >>> total range. Frank had similar sloped slots, but used a fancy investment >>> cast dropout. Roaduno has an investment-cast dropout too, but the slot is >>> horizontal and, of course, has the hanger. >>> >>> Braze-ons: >>> Haven't studied this closely, but it should be easy enough to figure >>> out. The first QBs were pretty spare. Later ones at least got mounts for >>> a campee rack on the fork. I >think< Roaduno will have a full range for >>> more utility with racks. But they talk about it being lightweight and NOT >>> intended for touring loads, too. >>> >>> Kick Sta >>> The only difference between the QB and SO (other than country of origin >>> for tubing and manufacture) was that SO had a kickstand mounting plate. >>> Roaduno will likely have one too. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 7:24:12 AM UTC-7 Arthur Mayfield wrote: >>> >>>> If my FJ had a derailleur hanger, I’d be constantly tempted to turn it >>>> into a 1X or 2X 5 or 6. 120mm rear spacing and the difficulties of >>>> mounting >>>> a derailleur under track forks keeps me in line. As I recall, the Roaduno >>>> has wider rear end to go with the hanger-equipped dropouts, so there are a >>>> zillion hubs that will fit. I ride it as a single, rather than fixed, and >>>> am content. The one change I’d make to a re-imagined FJ would be to add a >>>> kickstand mount. I’ve never been comfortable with clamp-on kickstands, >>>> always afraid they’d slip or I’d over tighten and damage the chain stays. >>>> >>>> On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 9:24:09 AM UTC-5 [email protected] >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well damn it. Looked this up & now I really want a silver Roaduno. >>>>> Look like the same dropouts but with the hanger? >>>>> [image: image0.jpeg] >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 3, 2024, at 9:04 AM, Arthur Mayfield <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Not what else is out there, but what should be—Rivendell should bring >>>>> back the Frank Jones. 700c, sidepull brakes, 120mm rear hub, fully >>>>> lugged, >>>>> fits up to 42mm tires (I have 32s with PDW fenders). I have three Rivs >>>>> (FJ, >>>>> Platy, caliper Sam), but my FJ is what I think of when I want to ride >>>>> simply, or simply want to ride. Without a doubt, an *elegant* bicycle. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 5:15:38 AM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The Surly Steamroller can take a 38mm tire, but no fender. >>>>>> >>>>>> The sadly out of production Cross Check could do a 38mm with a fender. >>>>>> >>>>>> Eric >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 5:16 PM Edwin W <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I like single speed bikes, many like single speed bikes. The >>>>>>> simplicity, the possibility of fixed gear, it is the epitome of biking >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> me, I think. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I like the idea of the roaduno. So far it looks like it will have >>>>>>> 700c/622 wheel size, long reach side pull brakes. Rear facing drop >>>>>>> outs. >>>>>>> Those are the main factors to think about, because stem length, >>>>>>> handlebar >>>>>>> and lever type, fenders or not, dynamo or not, are flexible on most >>>>>>> bikes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What is the competition, and what are they offering? >>>>>>> Crust Lightning bolt single speed. 650b wheels with anti posts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BMC Monstercross. 700c wheels and cantilever posts. But that has >>>>>>> 135mm rear spacing, so not exactly built for single speed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What else is out there that can take a 38mm (or so) tire with a >>>>>>> fender? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Edwin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ef477e87-6e73-4984-9b85-d3c5946f0d79n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ef477e87-6e73-4984-9b85-d3c5946f0d79n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5bc23a1a-b417-4a8d-ae51-10231d18dc61n%40googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5bc23a1a-b417-4a8d-ae51-10231d18dc61n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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