Do you interpret the absence of a weight rating on the Surly Ultra New to 
mean it's unlimited, and therefore stronger/more reliable than the Phil?  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 8:18:47 AM UTC-8 Benjamin Kelley wrote:

> One big difference(at least for me) other than the price between the Phil 
> and the Surly Ultra New Hubs, is the loaded bike+rider weight rating.
> Phil says 280lb/127kg for their Classic.
> Surly unspecified weight on all their hubs.
>
> I personally prefer the fixing bolt to the QR. Less stuff for people to 
> fiddle with on your bike when its locked up.
> I've replaced pretty much ever QR skewer with a bolt skewer anyways, and I 
> really appreciate the Surly's being threaded for bolts.
>
> --ben in KC
>
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 9:01 AM Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Per their site (https://surlybikes.com/parts/ultra_new_hubs) Surly 
>> offers their "Ultra New Hub" in 135 mm OL in both rim brake and disc rotor 
>> models, and in 120 mm and 130 mm in a rim brake model.
>>
>> I expect that this hub is very like their earlier one -- I bought a 
>> couple, the first 18 years ago and used them well -- and they are very nice 
>> hubs; practically speaking they work as well and last as long as but cost 
>> far less than my Phils.
>>
>> Apparently the shells are the same, and here's the difference. I did have 
>> my old ones converted to hollow axles.
>>
>> Ultra New hubs use hollow axles of our own design mated to threadin wheel 
>> fixing bolts, as opposed to the nutted axles of our previous hubs. Hollow 
>> axles make conversion to quick release super easy (remove bolts, insert QR 
>> skewer, install wheel into frame or fork, ride). All Ultra New hubs come 
>> with fixing bolts, but all are QR compatible without axle conversion or any 
>> other extra crap. Neato. The axles are made of CroMoly steel, while the 
>> fixing bolts are 10.9 stainless steel (i.e. high grade) for corrosion 
>> resistance, high strength, and good looks, and the bolts tighten and loosen 
>> with a 6mm hex wrench.
>>
>> I highly recommend a QR skewer -- strong steal internal cam, of course.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 2:16:12 PM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... BMC Monstercross. 700c wheels and cantilever posts. But that has 
>>>> 135mm rear spacing, so not exactly built for single speed.
>>>>
>>>> What else is out there that can take a 38mm (or so) tire with a fender?
>>>>
>>>> Edwin
>>>>
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