I have a tubular wheel set for my Roadeo also. We're a GANG BL in EC
On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 11:15:09 AM UTC-8 cz...@sonic.net wrote: > Hey Max - > > If you are one of two people worldwide that run sew-ups on a Riv, I am the > other one. I had Rich build a set of wheels for sew-ups so I could run them > on any of four Rivs (my wife would not tolerate 33mm tires on the > Hubbuhubbuh after riding 71mm tires). > > Regards, > > Corwin > > On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:15:09 AM UTC-8 Max S wrote: > >> >> *"My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:* >> *Off With 'is 'ead!!!* >> *Pure blasphemy. I love it." * >> >> Well, yes, thank you – shock and awe was part of the intent for this >> Halloween special "Iron Pumpkin" build :-) >> BTW, those wheels are tubulars... I might be one of two people worldwide >> that run sew-up tires on a Riv?.. >> >> - Max "totally tubular" in A2 >> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:25:59 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> @Max >>> My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was: >>> Off With 'is 'ead!!! >>> Pure blasphemy. I love it. >>> >>> I reckon we can't complain -- they don't make SILVER carbon wheels yet. >>> You're forgiven. >>> >>> [Extra blather: Personally, I can't get into single speed. I went as far >>> as not shifting for a week on my commute in order to see if I wanted to go >>> SS for that purpose. >>> Can't do it. Even my snow bike has an IGH and I use the low and middle >>> gears every ride.] >>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 6:50:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote: >>> >>>> Now *that's* got to be the most different, unique, idiosyncratic >>>> Rivendell build I've seen; kudos for doing things your way! >>>> >>>> Reminds me of a mountain bike I saw parked at my WDC apartment back >>>> about 1987 with (IIRC) Scott AT-4 bar, disc wheels, and 1.5" Fatboy slicks. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 4:23 PM Max S <msh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Here's my favorite Riv for pavement (and dirt) riding (tires and >>>>> wheels are #1 and #2 concerns, saddle-to-bar drop is #3, and close behind >>>>> that is picking a reasonably fast color): >>>>> >>>>> [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg] >>>>> >>>>> - Max "orange you glad I didn't say banana?" in A2 >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:18:43 PM UTC-5 J J wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Chuck, I believe the best Rivendell for pavement riding is whichever >>>>>> Rivendell that fits you well and is comfortable for your body, that >>>>>> pleases >>>>>> you mechanically and aesthetically, that is within your budget, and that >>>>>> accomplishes whatever goals for the type of riding you hope to do. >>>>>> >>>>>> You said you will be riding mostly on pavement. Pavement riding is a >>>>>> broad category, and there are many different modes and types of it. Will >>>>>> it >>>>>> be "practical" pavement riding (like commuting or hauling stuff from the >>>>>> supermarket), relaxed cruising on a weekend morning, or racing in a >>>>>> group? >>>>>> Will you occasionally venture off road? All of the above? >>>>>> >>>>>> One of the things that makes Rivs so wonderful is their versatility. >>>>>> This is what I value about Rivs above all else, which is why I gravitate >>>>>> to >>>>>> the various All Rounders. An Atlantis, for example, can be set up many >>>>>> different ways and it will be brilliant in the various guises. Swap a >>>>>> handlebar or tires (either wider or narrower, or to or from slicks and >>>>>> knobbies) and you have a bike with different character suited for a >>>>>> different type of riding, all while retaining the Rivendell feel. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want a "road" bike strictly speaking, there are a lot of great >>>>>> suggestions in this thread. In the end it comes back to your own >>>>>> subjectivity, and your sense of the kind of riding you will be doing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Good luck with your search! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5 heike...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Chuck--as you asked about the Appaloosa and a drop-bar >>>>>>> alternative, I'll chime in: I have a 51" 650B Appaloosa with Nitto >>>>>>> Choco bars >>>>>>> <https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-choco-norm-bar-alu-ht-54cm-x-25-4-100mm-sleeve-tandem-162491>, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> which Riv describes thus: "It's also good for road bikes instead of a >>>>>>> drop >>>>>>> bar, when you want a close grip and a totally perfect next-to-stem >>>>>>> grip. >>>>>>> It's the best bar we have for that." I really like these bars, as I can >>>>>>> grab the flats when going fast, downhill, or against wind, and the >>>>>>> swept-back part is super comfortable otherwise. It's not a super wide >>>>>>> bar; >>>>>>> never feels out of place even on narrower paths or in traffic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I bought the Appa as a mixed-terrain bike, as a true allrounder, and >>>>>>> I right now have a rack on it (and fenders, soon--just got my Velo >>>>>>> Orange >>>>>>> wavys delivered). I mostly ride it on smooth roads, and it's a fun bike >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> that, even up hills. Roadbike? No, not nimble and light to go on group >>>>>>> fast >>>>>>> rides, but totally smooth and comfortable for long rides. If I had two >>>>>>> Riv >>>>>>> bikes, I might get a Ram or a Roadini in addition to the App - but for >>>>>>> just >>>>>>> one bike that can do all kinds of things really well, the Appa is >>>>>>> wonderful! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 10:28:06 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I own a 54cm Roadini (for myself) and a 50cm (for my son who will >>>>>>>> soon outgrow his Salsa Journeyman). I'd set up my Roadini as a gravel >>>>>>>> bike >>>>>>>> with wide tires but recently a friend borrowed my son's Roadini for >>>>>>>> her >>>>>>>> first ride over a dirt path in less than dry conditions I swapped the >>>>>>>> wheels on both bikes. Having done that work I decided to start riding >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Roadini for my commute again, and it's such a nice bike for pavement >>>>>>>> riding. I would be very happy if the Roadini was the only bike I was >>>>>>>> allowed to ride. A wheel/tire swap is all it takes to switch its >>>>>>>> personality. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Picture of the 50mm gold Roadini with 40mm Conti Terraspeed tires: >>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/9xe97P72TVC9kT6ezib43w.ApcagsQcybWcV2qpmaE8je >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:46:26 AM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mathias, Max, Damien, thanks. A lot of good information in your >>>>>>>>> posts. Riding and experimenting with different models may be the only >>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>> to find that "perfect" bike, if there is such a thing. I have to >>>>>>>>> admit that >>>>>>>>> I've been riding an All City Space Horse for a while now, which I >>>>>>>>> picked up >>>>>>>>> to see me through while I wait on the "right" Rivendell to become >>>>>>>>> available. It's actually very comfortable and stable, but a bit heavy >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> the hills. The 52cm model I have has similar chainstay, wheelbase, >>>>>>>>> head >>>>>>>>> tube angle, stack, and reach to a 50cm Roadini, so maybe I should be >>>>>>>>> satisfied with what I have? I don't know. I am rethinking the >>>>>>>>> requirement I >>>>>>>>> have had in my mind for drop handlebars, though. Some of the Nitto >>>>>>>>> bars >>>>>>>>> (Losco, Choco, Albastache) look like they could be fine for long >>>>>>>>> distance >>>>>>>>> road riding with multiple positions that could mimic some of those of >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> drop bar. And they might work better with the longish top tubes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-5 Damien wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I had a Sam up until recently but sold it and have very recently >>>>>>>>>> replaced with a Ram which I've yet to get out on (am going to swap >>>>>>>>>> out the >>>>>>>>>> Albatross currently on them for drop bars). Not sure what size >>>>>>>>>> you're >>>>>>>>>> looking at, but the thing for me was I wanted a 700c bike, and the >>>>>>>>>> Sam that >>>>>>>>>> fit me (51) was 650b. I had a Roadini in size 50 which was great, >>>>>>>>>> but ended >>>>>>>>>> up selling that and keeping the Sam as it better met my needs at the >>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>> (dragging kids around, carrying random stuff, more mixed terrain >>>>>>>>>> stuff). >>>>>>>>>> Sam is great, but didn't feel as quick (subjective) and was >>>>>>>>>> definitely more >>>>>>>>>> sluggish in its handling on road - felt a bit like overkill tbh. I >>>>>>>>>> attribute most of that to set up and the chunky tire size I was >>>>>>>>>> using on >>>>>>>>>> the Sam (650b x 48 on Sam vs. 700 x 32 on Roadini). I would say if >>>>>>>>>> you go >>>>>>>>>> with the Sam for your use, 42 would be the ideal tire size (as >>>>>>>>>> someone >>>>>>>>>> mentioned earlier!). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I can't wait to get out on the Ram to see how I like it, but if >>>>>>>>>> it's anything like the Roadini, I feel I'll be on a setup that makes >>>>>>>>>> sense >>>>>>>>>> for the type of riding that I do - which seems similar to the type >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> riding you'll be doing! Hope that is in some way helpful! >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday 5 March 2024 at 08:44:06 UTC-5 Max S wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Really great points made by Mathias, and also by Patrick in his >>>>>>>>>>> post about iterating... >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, the easiest way to find a good bike is to set your budget >>>>>>>>>>> and then make a post whose subject starts with "WTB:.. " – all >>>>>>>>>>> sorts of >>>>>>>>>>> cool and awesome bikes will emerge that fit your criteria! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - Max "it's a journey" in A2 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 8:14:36 AM UTC-5 >>>>>>>>>>> mathiass...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Chuck, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've never owned a Rivendell, so I believe it's important I >>>>>>>>>>>> chime in... because of this: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> I tried a Roadini (which I recently listed here and sold), >>>>>>>>>>>> but I think it was too big for me. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It probably wasn't too "big", it was probably too long in the >>>>>>>>>>>> top tube. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In the current Riv idea space, the Albatross is the handlebar >>>>>>>>>>>> of choice. The one Grant says he'll ride when he's old. I'd argue >>>>>>>>>>>> you can't >>>>>>>>>>>> build a bike that accomodates swept back AND drop handlebars for >>>>>>>>>>>> the same >>>>>>>>>>>> rider in the same size. The difference is only a few cm, but they >>>>>>>>>>>> matter. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I tend to pick one bike every year and build it from the frame >>>>>>>>>>>> up, to ride it and see how I like it, and what I can learn from >>>>>>>>>>>> it. And >>>>>>>>>>>> since I always use a Brooks B17 and a Nitto Noodle, that provides >>>>>>>>>>>> a handy >>>>>>>>>>>> size reference. The distance from the saddle tip to the handlebar >>>>>>>>>>>> cross >>>>>>>>>>>> tube is always the same when I'm done fitting it.. and it matches >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> ancient rule that if you put your elbow against the tip of the >>>>>>>>>>>> saddle, the >>>>>>>>>>>> finger tips should just reach the handlebar. Stem lengths go from >>>>>>>>>>>> 70 to 100 >>>>>>>>>>>> mm, on frames ranging from from a 52 cm Bruce Gordon BLT to a a 25 >>>>>>>>>>>> inch >>>>>>>>>>>> (63.5 cm) Cannondale ST600 to and a few in between. Top tube >>>>>>>>>>>> length >>>>>>>>>>>> (effective) ranges from 56 to 59 cm. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So figure out what YOUR saddle/bar distance or top tube length >>>>>>>>>>>> should be, and find your size accordingly. Were I to buy a >>>>>>>>>>>> Roadini, and the >>>>>>>>>>>> thought has crossed my mind, I'd have to go for a fairly small >>>>>>>>>>>> frame. For >>>>>>>>>>>> my 6 ft height and 89 cm PBH, I'm between the 57 and 61 cm size >>>>>>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>>>>> Roadini, and the 57 cm has a 59 cm top tube, so that would be my >>>>>>>>>>>> size, and >>>>>>>>>>>> the stem would have to be short, which doesn't look good to my >>>>>>>>>>>> eyes. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For what it's worth, our pavement here in freeze/thaw country >>>>>>>>>>>> (mid-Michigan) is famously nasty, and for road riding, I like 32 >>>>>>>>>>>> mm >>>>>>>>>>>> GP5000s... add some dirt roads, and I'm currently riding 35 mm >>>>>>>>>>>> Paselas, >>>>>>>>>>>> which seem to roll pretty fast and do OK on loose surfaces. I see >>>>>>>>>>>> no reason >>>>>>>>>>>> to go wide on asphalt. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To buy any bicycle: >>>>>>>>>>>> - decide on the tire you want to ride, which means pick the >>>>>>>>>>>> target roads and routes. >>>>>>>>>>>> - decide if you'll mount fenders. >>>>>>>>>>>> - now look at the frames that will accomodate the first >>>>>>>>>>>> criteria, and see if you can find your size. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It may be that a detour through an older (~1980) Trek or >>>>>>>>>>>> Raleigh is the way to find your setup... most of the parts will >>>>>>>>>>>> move right >>>>>>>>>>>> over, plus it's fun. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> cheers -mathias >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/43ff7469-c029-4b2a-83bf-3ce31d020790n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/43ff7469-c029-4b2a-83bf-3ce31d020790n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8b54f56d-ff29-42e3-ade8-443e2c7ad161n%40googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8b54f56d-ff29-42e3-ade8-443e2c7ad161n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Patrick Moore >>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing >>>> services >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,* >>>> >>>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,* >>>> >>>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.* >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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