John OK so you are saying that every bike on earth that is currently available are all in one group and Rivendells are not in that group. In order to be allowed to exist a Rivendell must either conform with the first group’s designs or solve some objective problem not addressed by all other bikes. Is that it?
BL in EC On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 3:43 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch < [email protected]> wrote: > Bill > > > > Good challenge, what I was thinking is what problem with bikes is the long > C/S solving? I thought it was a straight forward question. > > > > I suggest *eliminate* “in bike design” and problems or current > deficiencies refer to the current bikes available. Another way of saying > it is what “improvements” in bicycles result from the Long C/S. > > > > So far the responses indicate Long C/S improve > > Overall handling, seems to apply to all surfaces. > > Comfort, especially from bumps in the surface. > > Climbing and Descending single track type trails (like the ones in the RBW > pictures on Mt Diablo). The climbing improvement appears to due to > improved weight distribution vs improved bio-mechanical items. > > > > John Hawrylak > > Woodstown NJ > > > > *From:* [email protected] < > [email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Lindsay > *Sent:* Sunday, March 31, 2024 5:19 PM > *To:* RBW Owners Bunch <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They > Solve? > > > > The OP asked: "*What problem or current deficiency in bike design is > Grant solving by using long chain stays????"* > > > > What exactly is this entity you call "bike design"? If you can define > that, perhaps I can respond to your question (emphatically stated with FOUR > question marks) > > > > Bill Lindsay > > El Cerrito, CA > > On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 10:50:18 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak, Woodstown > NJ wrote: > > Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?", > especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike design philosophy. Seems > the prevailing thought is long stays are better for > > upright riding > > single track type trails (vs a Rails to Trails type trail) > > > > I'll just note 2 'facts' > > 1 The vast majority of RBW models (except the Roadeo type frame) use > slack STA and HTA which may contribute to the ride effect when coupled with > long stays. > > 2. In the beginning RBW addressed getting the bars higher and adopting a > non-racer riding style (back at 45° with hands on hoods), which IMHO were > solutions to actual problems. > > > > *So What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by > using long chain stays????* > > Just to bring bikes to market that no one else is building?? > > Or do they solve a real problem??? > > > > John Hawrylak > > Woodstown NJ > > > > FWIW 2 of 3 of my frames have 44 to 45cm chain stays, and 1 has a 43cm > chain stay. It's hard to notice a ride difference. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/CvtnXgIblG8/unsubscribe > . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0415e7b9-d462-402e-961f-0fe4ba41a5b3n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0415e7b9-d462-402e-961f-0fe4ba41a5b3n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/CvtnXgIblG8/unsubscribe > . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/01c901da83bc%24d0e96d20%2472bc4760%24%40verizon.net > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/01c901da83bc%24d0e96d20%2472bc4760%24%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAK80UHJ%2BqG8S-NUDouKE%2BqXqVT_b%2BJOvRBMWY5KBFj%3DZpu1pVQ%40mail.gmail.com.
