I have the Axiom Journey on my Clem. I only had to spread the legs a little 
to get them on the outside of the seat stay bosses, but I like that 
suggestion to put them on the inside. It's really sturdy, especially on the 
Clem. I've used it for probably 50 lb. of groceries pretty easily.

If I were buying this rack again, I noticed they now make one with the 
spring on top:
https://www.axiomgear.com/products/racks/journey-racks/journey-with-spring/

 - Bruce

On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 10:12:02 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> I have the pletscher clem rack which is great (the mousetrap thing is 
> surprisingly useful, it can hold a basket in place) and an Axiom rack (I 
> think it's called streamliner) that is pretty lightweight. 
>
> One thing I do is put bolts for the lower legs of the rack on the inside 
> of the seatstay bosses which prevents the rack legs from having to spread 
> really wide.
>
> mike
>
> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 8:48:20 AM UTC-5 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> @Igor -
>>
>> I have some Arkel panniers for sale with a pair of f/r Old Man Mountain 
>> racks for $500.00, plus shipping. If you do not want the racks, I will 
>> gladly sell the panniers separately for $300.00, plus shipping.
>> I have the tent pouch and fanny pack that are included in the sale. If 
>> you don't want the tent, that is fine. 
>>
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/bop/d/yelm-arkel-r-panniers-with-old-man/7737089803.html
>>
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 6:33:33 AM UTC-7 Richard Rose wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Ian. I have a few racks for my Clem L (52) that I quite like. 
>>> First is a Riv “Shiny” rack. It is very sturdy/rigid and supports panniers 
>>> nicely. I have also used it as a saddlebag support. I also have a Nitto R10 
>>> for bag support. It works great & is beautiful. Perhaps a bit against the 
>>> grain I also use a Tumbleweed “T rack”. I have used this as a front rack on 
>>> the Clem & a rear rack on my Gus. It is unique in that it has three bolt 
>>> mounts built in to the vertical struts. I mount King many things caves and 
>>> use fork bags. I mount a Wald basket to the platform. It works great & 
>>> certainly would be a good large handlebar bag support.
>>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 19, 2024, at 9:04 AM, ian m <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have one of the Pletscher rear racks Riv sold as the "Clem rack" if 
>>> you're interested. Has the removable pannier rails.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-4 Igor wrote:
>>>
>>>> What racks do folks like for their Clem? I am selling my campee racks 
>>>> because they are not a good fit on the wider-dropouts of a Clem, and I'd 
>>>> like something simpler for rear.
>>>>
>>>> 1 for my wife, 1 for me (We both will have a Clem soon...orange one 
>>>> coming for me :D )
>>>>
>>>> I am looking at the RB14 and also the Rivendell Big Rack. I'm probably 
>>>> OK with just a saddle bag, and she may want panniers, so I figure the Big 
>>>> Rack for her, but maybe some other options out there to consider?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
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