Thanks, Garth.  Funny - this thread isn't even that old, and I've changed 
several things since posting.  I guess I really am a chronic cockpit 
tinkerer.  Related to the original question, I did move my boscomoose back 
to my Clem, now that I have it back.  Even though I'd still like the stem 
to be longer, they continue to be the best bar on that bike.  [I did have a 
140 ritchey stem (25.4 quill) and aluminum boscos years ago when I first 
built that bike and it fit better, but the stiffness of the moose version 
still makes it the best compromise.]

I moved my tosco to the Susie pictured above with a 130mm faceplater stem.  
Once again, a longer stem would be even better, but this was still a huge 
improvement on that bike relative to the boscomoose.  Wider, less bent 
back, less rise (on a frame that has a super-talll headtube  already.)  
Thumbshifters work better in the normal/outer position  on toscos than 
boscos, but I left them inside and reversed for now.

I put some Ron's Orrtho bars on the bike that previously had toscos.  In 
this case, black/threadless is actually ideal.  But... 31.8 doesnt work 
without a shim.  I might try this anyway.  The best 26.0 stem I was able to 
find was 130mm.  Somewhere, I posted pics showing how similar the ortho ant 
tosco are.

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-6 Garth wrote:

> Hey Keith I was looking at stems today and was reminded that Zipp makes 
> 140mm and 150mm 31.8 threadless stems +/-6d. Black only, but those can be 
> altered if you really want silver. I'm not into playing with chemicals 
> myself so I'd seek out a auto/moto paint/body shop that has a media blaster 
> for aluminum. 
> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:29:27 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> About to take Susie out for an evening ride, I just remembered that the 
>> slope of the bars is better than when it's on the Clem   because the 
>> slightly slacker headube angle.  When I had the adjustable kind, I still 
>> liked them a bit more sloped than this though
>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:41:14 AM UTC-6 Paul Richardson wrote:
>>
>>> howdy folks
>>>
>>> i've been doing the best digging i can and cannot seem to wrangle very 
>>> many pictures of rivs with boscomoose bars.  have you tried them?  did you 
>>> like them?  i ride big bikes, so i'm not too concerned about knee strike on 
>>> the bar-ends, which i gather can be a drawback for some.  their fixedness 
>>> obviously makes for a riskier purchase than separate stem+bars, so i'd love 
>>> to hear your experience before i take the plunge!
>>>
>>> thanks in advance
>>> paul
>>> takoma park, md.
>>>
>>

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