Thanks for the link to that documentation. I believe mine is a 54cm 2014 model. It looks like I got the newer blue color with the older fork. It's a bridge model, I guess!
On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 9:07 AM Valerie Yates <vya...@gmail.com> wrote: > Following up from a different thread re offshoot discussion of the San > Marcos, the color changed between the 2013 Pearl Blue and 2015 Tiburon Blue > versions, when they also expanded the range using 650b wheels to include > the 54 and new 57 size.. Maybe the straight fork was retained on the > larger 650b sizes? The 59 and 63 had a double top tube and take 700c > wheels. Mine is a 51 Tiburon Blue with 650b wheels. > > 2013: > https://www.somafab.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/san-marcos-flyer2.pdf > > 2015: https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/san-marcos-frame-set > > On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:11:47 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote: > >> I bought mine from a friend of a friend and I've done a bit of poking >> around on the history of the San Marcos but I still don't fully understand >> the evolution of the fork and color. >> >> I used the Velo Orange band clamps for the third water bottle cage. It's >> been rock solid and handy having the option for one more bottle. >> >> >> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 10:04 PM Valerie Yates <vya...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Interesting! I thought the color determined which fork it had. I also >>> thought you were re-posting another pic of Gary's bike. Now, I understand >>> you were replying to his pic with one of your own. Did you use band clamps >>> to attach the third bottle holder? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:37:37 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> Agreed. It's a great bike. Just a joy to ride. I find mine to be very >>>> steady and stable but there's nothing plodding about it. Here's mine in >>>> what I believe is the same color as yours, but without the more elegant >>>> fork. >>>> >>>> [image: PXL_20240421_165935710.jpg] >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 6:42 PM Valerie Yates <vya...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Gary -- I only saw the one, semi-sideways picture, which looks like it >>>>> is in the other blue color, which I thought came with the straighter fork. >>>>> But the picture that Eric re-posted looks like the same color as mine yet >>>>> with a straighter fork. Do you have one in each color? Do both have the >>>>> straighter fork curve? Mine does not have a 3rd set of bottle bosses. Did >>>>> you rig yours as an add-on? >>>>> >>>>> Eric -- Here is mine. Such a great bike. Light, nimble, and fluid yet >>>>> handles gravel, etc. without issue. I have no idea why this was not a >>>>> massive success. My sister-in-law has one too and so she keeps a saddle in >>>>> my garage so she can borrow mine when she visits. Would love to see how it >>>>> compares in geometry to the Roadini. >>>>> [image: PXL_20240514_231824905.jpg] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:26:48 AM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Looking good, Gary! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 8:37 PM LBleriot <garyssc...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: IMG_0374.jpeg] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-4 eric.j...@gmail.com >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> San Marcos, you say? Let's see a photo of that one, if you don't >>>>>>>> mind. You don't see too many in the wild! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 5:50 PM Valerie Yates <vya...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky >>>>>>>>> smooth. Entirely comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San >>>>>>>>> Marcos. Which is why I was able to let it go. I am so glad it is >>>>>>>>> living its >>>>>>>>> best life. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Leah - All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you >>>>>>>>> love it and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one >>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>> turn up, order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged >>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>> is pending, then it depends on price and timing. 😁 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides >>>>>>>>>> on a road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! >>>>>>>>>> I was >>>>>>>>>> lucky to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth >>>>>>>>>> tires >>>>>>>>>> and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a >>>>>>>>>> surprise >>>>>>>>>> midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals >>>>>>>>>> and my bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ >>>>>>>>>> seem confused about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike >>>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>>> meet their expectations, the women and other folks always say how >>>>>>>>>> beautiful >>>>>>>>>> the Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd >>>>>>>>>> feet >>>>>>>>>> clean while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how >>>>>>>>>> neat it is >>>>>>>>>> that I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the >>>>>>>>>> roadie-culture promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire >>>>>>>>>> your commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> hope a Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful >>>>>>>>>> lugs to >>>>>>>>>> add to your hella colorful collection >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Brent in chicago >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>>>>>>>> Ding! wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is SO fun. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get >>>>>>>>>>> your answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so >>>>>>>>>>> cool. Here >>>>>>>>>>> you were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I >>>>>>>>>>> truly >>>>>>>>>>> hope we get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree >>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>> the Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the >>>>>>>>>>> updated model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I >>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> hoping for. That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A >>>>>>>>>>> Roadini >>>>>>>>>>> should be a great choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or >>>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>>> for a 50 on the used market? So far there have been none to be >>>>>>>>>>> found… >>>>>>>>>>> L >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip....@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Me either! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom >>>>>>>>>>>> currently on offer at a very reasonable price… >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> P. W. >>>>>>>>>>>> ~ >>>>>>>>>>>> (917) 514-2207 >>>>>>>>>>>> ~ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates <vya...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be >>>>>>>>>>>> entirely irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will >>>>>>>>>>>> add that >>>>>>>>>>>> nothing in that picture says go-fast club rides to me. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 >>>>>>>>>>>> philip....@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably >>>>>>>>>>>>> feels, compared to the larger, presumably production verison of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the same >>>>>>>>>>>>> bike, without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_6222] >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> P. W. >>>>>>>>>>>>> ~ >>>>>>>>>>>>> (917) 514-2207 >>>>>>>>>>>>> ~ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller <jtf.f...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The >>>>>>>>>>>>> three shown in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs >>>>>>>>>>>>> into a >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hillibike and the CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both >>>>>>>>>>>>> funny and >>>>>>>>>>>>> also indicative of its purpose and ride quality, which I'm sure >>>>>>>>>>>>> lands >>>>>>>>>>>>> squarely in between also! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM Valerie Yates < >>>>>>>>>>>>> vya...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I've made an album with pics of my Roadeo, CHG, and Susie. Link >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to album <https://photos.app.goo.gl/8eFj66p3qGijaC7t5>. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> album includes a poor quality picture of the Gallop with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> albastache >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bars that were on it when it arrived. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leah - the drop from Will's saddle to bars was an intentional >>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice. He chose a smaller frame with a raised up saddle to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> achieve a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> racier position. My bars on the Roadeo are set fairly level with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my saddle. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> With drop-bar bikes, I tend to choose the frame with the minimum >>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stand-over clearance to ensure I can have level bars without >>>>>>>>>>>>>> having to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> raise them up high in a way that looks funky to me. I am not a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> weight-weenie but perhaps worth mentioning that the Roadeo as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> shown with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bags but minus pump is 25 lbs and 11 ounces. The Gallop, minus >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lock and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pump, is 34 pounds. Some of the difference is my dynamo hub, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lights, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and racks. I'd guess 5-6 pounds is the difference without those >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessories. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is a collage for anyone who doesn't want to follow the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link. I measured from front to rear drop-out and both the Roadeo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Gallop >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are 175. Looking at where the vertical segment of the garage door >>>>>>>>>>>>>> intersects the frame is pretty interesting. I don't really >>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand how >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the extra space in the Gallop frame is achieved. Riv magic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <Bike Collage.jpg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> diana....@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chiming in to say that this particular conversation comes at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a great time for me! I was planning to buy the Roadini, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this whole >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread is causing me to second guess. Leah, I'm planning to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Riv in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> June sometime and ask them all the questions about Roadini vs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CHG. I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make sure to post what I learn. Until then, fun to speculate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and read >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others thoughts. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:54:37 AM UTC-6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valerie, I am also looking forward to your photos. I love >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show and tell! Thank you for your posts which I have started >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward to. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarah >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sweptback bars and the roadini was not. In the world of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rivendell I am not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure what that equates to because most of their bikes can go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either way and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grant has said that is true here too if you use a short stem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statement tells me that the effective top tube on the gallop >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be longer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most likely the wheelbase will be as well. If I can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figure out how to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> measure those things well I can give it a shot on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prototype and assuming >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the end geometry is pretty similar to the production model we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some info. Points for the gallop would be 1. Just different >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a go fast bike that still turns some heads 2. Geometry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better fit for an alternative cockpit if you don't like the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drops. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger size to fit better. I think its a good guess that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rivendell would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steer people that way and you likely would be very comfy on a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> size similar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the larger Platy but I think doing that might make drops a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit harder to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be comfortable on. It would likely need a very very short >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stem. I guess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thats not a downside it just makes the sizing discussion a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little more open >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the gallop than the Roadini. But wiht the new 50cm platy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> packed with all sorts of sizing and comfort information to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rely on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise weight and tubing specs are probably pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar between the two >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:03:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ding Ding! wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bars for me! But it’s pretty. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I look forward to your photos, Valerie, and how I wish I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lived in your neighborhood so I could bring my saddle and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try your bikes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When it all boils down, it’s this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m looking to see what it’s like to ride a stripped-down >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roadish Rivendell and see how that affects my performance on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group rides. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rivendell offers 2 (not counting the hard-to-obtain Roadeo) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> road bikes in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their lineup and I’m trying to differentiate between them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and see which one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is better for me. I hope they can make that clear in their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> description when the time comes for them to launch the CHG. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get to chat and speculate and evaluate here and it is loads >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of fun! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, thank you again to everyone for sharing your wisdom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with me. Keep it coming! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> L >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2024, at 9:46 PM, P W <philip....@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know, as soon as I hit send, I thought: “It’s a Riv, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I bet the tire clearance is actually massive!” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 😂 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For how a go-fast Riv roadie could and should look, what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better source of inspiration than Will’s: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <image0.jpeg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See also: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <441164476_1599207264208847_1445036392027071003_n.jpg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6cHN2vyLoM/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Calling in Sick Magazine on Instagram: "#bikecheck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #willkeating @rivbike" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6cHN2vyLoM/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Watch and share reels with friends >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6cHN2vyLoM/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6cHN2vyLoM/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P. W. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (917) 514-2207 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2024, at 6:06 PM, Valerie Yates < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vya...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also Philip - I have 700x50 tires on my Gallop, so it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not just for skinny tires. 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