Ray 

A few details I've experienced: 

I prefer the step-through clearance on the Clem. 

I could not bear scratching the Platy, the most beautiful bike I've ever 
owned. Probably just me, but I'm OK if the Clem gathers a little character, 
or a lot of character. It's just a grab it and go experience for me. 

I really like Tosco bars, and I think they look better with the Clem than 
with the Platy. 

I did not like the appearance of larger tires on the Platy, and think they 
look fine on the Clem, although I don't ride tires wider than 43mm. 

I can't really speak to the lightness of the Platy ... a little dog 
traveled with me everywhere I went on the Platy. So, with front rack, 
basket, and little dog, that bike was fifteen pounds heavier in the front. 
Note also that I ride the 64cm Clem, and wonder if its tubing is the same 
as the smaller Clems? I know the seat post is larger. 

I was stopped more often, and received more compliments on the Platy, but I 
still get a lot of compliments on the Clem. Got another one today. 

Finally: I do miss the Platy, but think the Clem is more me! 

- Chris 

On Thursday, July 18, 2024 at 10:51:22 AM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote:

> Chris, I've read a bunch of posts on this thread already about the 
> Platypus vs the ClemSmithJr. All I am getting from the posts is that the 
> ClemSmithJr can handle touring better in terms of carrying gear and that it 
> has a longer wheelbase  whereas the Platypus will be lighter and zippier 
> but fully capable. Having owned both are there any other descriptions you 
> can add to both of these bikes. Would you be able to share how you narrowed 
> down which one to keep.
>
> Ray
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 2:25:32 PM UTC-5 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> Ray 
>>
>>
>> I think it was Sam Maloof <https://www.malooffoundation.org> who said 
>> that a chair should first and foremost invite the individual to come and 
>> sit. Rivendell bikes invite me to ride them, far more than any other 
>> bicycle manufacturer, and the ride, like Sam’s rocking chairs, always 
>> exceed my expectation of the invite. 
>>
>>
>> I’ve owned a number of Rivendell bikes (Road Standard, LongLow, 
>> Rambouillet, Bleriot, Bombadil, Sam, and a Platypus) and now a Clem. 
>> Clearly I like Rivendell bikes, and the mindset at Rivendell. 
>>
>>
>> I ride the Clem 99% on the road, around town, and typically on two 
>> extended rides each week. To me, the Clem is the zenith of the Rivendell 
>> experience. I feel like it kindly informs other cyclists that they don’t 
>> have to ride carbon frames, or skinny tires, or clipless pedals, or … to 
>> just enjoy their authenticity. To me, me, it’s the most authentic of the 
>> current Rivendell design. To me, it most inspires wabi-sabi and beausage. I 
>> won’t argue any of those points: my truth, maybe no one else’s. 
>>
>>
>> Is there one that is more inviting to you? 
>>
>>
>> Now, can you folks help me decide which color Montecito Pinto goes best 
>> with the Clem green in my driveway? I'm thinking of only keeping one. 
>>
>>
>> [image: Montecito_Pintos.jpg]
>>
>>
>> Cheers, 
>>
>>
>> Chris 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 6:37:47 AM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>>
>>> Having ridden both, I'd say that the clem may face some limitations when 
>>> it comes to heavier loaded rides (that you may not be expecting or 
>>> planning) because the flex on the frame is a lot more noticeable on the 
>>> clem than the platy. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 8:13:37 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>>> If they were full crossover for me and I could honestly use either one 
>>>> in all situations then I would take the one that I felt was the most 
>>>> comfortable or honestly which one I just felt looked better. I will say 
>>>> that if I was absolutely forced down to one Rivendell I think it would be 
>>>> the Clem.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 12:10:25 AM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Prioritize needs and wants. Then choose which bike meets most or all 
>>>>> of them. 
>>>>> If they both cover them all, then I’d go by looks. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 9:51:33 PM UTC-6 Ray Varella wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m curious how you guys would choose between two bikes you already 
>>>>>> have. 
>>>>>> I have a Clem and a Platypus, they are both very comfortable and 
>>>>>> extremely nice riding bikes. 
>>>>>> There’s so much overlap between them I don’t need both. 
>>>>>> I’m leaning towards the Clem because it will fit my niece better than 
>>>>>> the Platypus will. 
>>>>>> The Platypus is a really beautiful bike. 
>>>>>> I know some members have duplicates or multiples of bikes they like. 
>>>>>> How would you guys choose between the two?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you 
>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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