We agree wholly on the e-bike motorcycles! On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 8:10 AM John Dewey <[email protected]> wrote:
> Patrick, I wholeheartedly agree with you regarding the kind of e-bike > Steve P rides. > > My beef is primarily with those nameless flat black fat-tire electric > motorcycles driven mostly by children. > > And if we’re opening up big organized rides, then I’m for requiring the SP > kind of pedal-assist always ride at the front and pull the rest of us > along. Like Mathieu van der Poel. > > Jock > > On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 6:43 AM Patrick Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I can't agree entirely with John, though I certainly sympathize. My >> experience with e-bikes is certainly less than that of many other list >> members, but I've seen far too many polite, slow, and apparently safe >> riders of e-bikes on our local paths to think that they all should be >> banned from such paths. >> >> Of course, the question and problem is, how do you let the careful riders >> ride e-bikes at sedate speeds while blocking the fools and jerks. I dunno. >> But I doubt a "blanket 20 mph limit for ABQ bike paths" is going to cut the >> mustard. >> >> I am less sympathetic but still sympathetic to bike shop owners who push >> e-bikes. Sure, it's a solid revenue stream from a new and larger market, >> but perhaps some of the burden of weeding out jerks should start with them? >> That is, perhaps, by stocking only pedal-assist e-bikes that can't be >> switched to full-motorcycle mode with a switch, and offering at least clear >> literature if not 15 minute training explaining proper bike path behavior? >> >> Again, I dunno! But that never stops me from pontificating. >> >> Also, per Steve Palincsar and his very high end e-road-bike, for >> instance, not all e-bikes are landfill fodder by any means. >> >> On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 7:36 AM John Dewey <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> And how many of those will end in landfill as they are basically junk >>> day one. I get e-assist for old and infirm but all the rest are a plague. >>> >>> On big rides, eg RAGBRAI, my .02 cents is to have them start an hour >>> earlier…tho RAGBRAI is such a free for-all. I hate the idea of e-bikes on >>> these sorts of events other than assist that look like any ‘normal’ >>> pedal-driven bike. >>> >>> And shame on bike shops for selling those abominations. Shame shame >>> shame. >>> >>> Jock >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 3:54 PM Patrick Moore <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> A local bike industry representative recently proposed a bill to the >>>> City of ABQ Council for blanket legal permission for all types of e-bikes >>>> along with a 20 mph speed limit, the limit to be moral and legal, not >>>> technological. My first reaction was, "Yeah, sure, and you will enforce >>>> this exactly how?" Me, I think that there should be official obstacles for >>>> use on recreational trails and bike lanes any motorized vehicle capable of >>>> more than 20 mph without pedaling but I don't know what those should be or >>>> how to impose them. >>>> >>>> Riding briskly along a bike path a couple of months ago I was passed at >>>> probably 25 mph (I was going at least 15 and was passed at a large speed >>>> difference) by a kid on a OneWheel or somesuch with no warning or vehicle >>>> sound besides very muted tire buzz; it was a good thing I wasn't trying to >>>> turn left. I have no problem with e-assist, but neophytes going faster than >>>> their bike path traffic skills (let along road skils) warrant does worry >>>> me. >>>> >>>> The same thing happened a few months earlier yet: a kid on an e-bike >>>> passed me on a bike path at a good differential without sound or warning, >>>> his little terrier running unleashed behind him. (It was a fast terrier.) >>>> (The kid would let the dog catch up, accelerate so that the dog would chase >>>> him, the stop and repeat. All on the left side of the path. >>>> >>>> Worst yet: 18 or 24 months ago maintaining a stout 18 or so on my Riv >>>> gofast on a pave bike path I was passed with no warning and very little >>>> noise by a kid on an electric motorcycle who passed me, I swear, and I >>>> don't think my imagination is fooling me, going at least 40 if not more; he >>>> whizzed by and disappeared up the trail and around a distant corner before >>>> I could collect my wits to yell an insult. But thank God that was a 1X >>>> even, so far at least. >>>> >>>> OTOH, by far most of the now quite numerous e-bikes I see on area bike >>>> paths are putting along harmlessly at 12 or 15 mph and even an old duffer >>>> like me can pass them handily. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:24 AM Bernard Duhon < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> One huge difference is a “lycra lout” as you , called them, going 25 >>>>> mph may have bad manners but he has been riding a while and probably a >>>>> pretty good bike handler. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> However a newbie going even 15 miles an hour his electric bike is a >>>>> danger to everyone on the road. Including himself. When we were starting >>>>> out on a human powered bike we were mostly a danger to yourself. (and >>>>> took >>>>> a while before you were cruising at 12 miles an hour) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We have been a lifetime of acquiring Cycling skills. I have taught the >>>>> effective cycling course in the past and even seasoned cyclist benefit >>>>> from >>>>> these type of courses. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You cannot get a driver's license without passing a drivers test and >>>>> almost everyone has taken a driver's Ed course. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Some point in the power/speed scale education courses should be >>>>> encouraged./promoted by the sellers. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And 20 mph on ebike is too fast for an unskilled novice and that is >>>>> the speed limit on a lot of trails. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That having been said, there are a lot of bicycles you shouldn't put a >>>>> novice cyclist on. I know several people who started out riding on a tri, >>>>> time trial and crisp handling race bike and injured themselves. They had >>>>> no >>>>> business starting off on a bike like that and shame on the bike industry >>>>> for putting them on that kind of bike. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgtXgWw6n2GU4cxXKcc36MH2q1ZOjxYFbmT5HyFe53Zecw%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgtXgWw6n2GU4cxXKcc36MH2q1ZOjxYFbmT5HyFe53Zecw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CA%2BkTrE4tzTW0iGnGhzwf5yBXT5wCtSc%2BcAn8scxNrd6fMx%2B%2BLA%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CA%2BkTrE4tzTW0iGnGhzwf5yBXT5wCtSc%2BcAn8scxNrd6fMx%2B%2BLA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Patrick Moore >> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing >> services >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,* >> >> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,* >> >> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.* >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgt4S6PPWA5Wv9m2pgria464hM_coY8S%2Bs3nqkYbgYcgYQ%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgt4S6PPWA5Wv9m2pgria464hM_coY8S%2Bs3nqkYbgYcgYQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CA%2BkTrE6uexAbSssdOaJ%2BGvjnc7%3DeckE8pNNo6qWkkJTn33Sinw%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CA%2BkTrE6uexAbSssdOaJ%2BGvjnc7%3DeckE8pNNo6qWkkJTn33Sinw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,* *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,* *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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