Riv guy and bakfiets guy here. I’ve got a lot of experience with cargo 
bikes and trikes, rear and front loading, as well as carrying kiddos. A 
bakfiets is the ideal way to carry kids; you can see and talk to them, and 
they’re more stable. I have a Frankenstein’d Human Powered Machines long 
Haul (HPM is now defunct but was based in the also defunct Center for 
Appropriate Transport in Eugene OR). I put 750w mod drive on it almost two 
years ago and it’s a game changer, a total car killer. I have considered 
eventually going to a Bullitt or a CETMA. 

The Clydesdale is a great product, though relatively limited for heavy 
loads since the platform isn’t independent of the steering.

On Thursday, July 25, 2024 at 10:31:25 PM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I've been riding around with my little one on my Rivendell on a Yepp Mini. 
> With the Tosco handlebars, it's perfect. However my little one is getting 
> bigger each day and I think we're going to need something bigger. I love 
> talking and singing with my child on the front, and I just don't want to 
> move them to be behind me looking at my back (which is where I was when I 
> was on the back of my mom's bike when I was little! There has to be a 
> better way now!).
>
> I really really want a front-loader cargo bike. Has anyone gone from a 
> Rivendell to a front-loader? I passed up a broken 10 year old Urban Arrow a 
> few months ago for $400 (unavailable electric motor parts and roller/drum 
> brakes kept me away). I'm eyeing Larry vs. Harry Bullitt's around $2250 on 
> Craigslist. Does anyone have any advice or experience with them?
>
> I should note that my neighborhood (Queens, NYC) sucks for biking. With my 
> little one, I mostly ride on the sidewalk at 3 MPH. There are tons of SUVs, 
> big trucks and vans, and angry drivers. There are no bike lanes for the 
> first 2 miles of my commute. Other neighborhoods (Williamsburg, Sunnyside) 
> are much better for biking. I'm worried that even if I get a front-loader 
> it won't be as practical as "underbiking" on the Rivendell. Or should I be 
> the change I want to see in the world and bike unafraid?
>
> I'm leaning toward a regular pedal-powered bike that I could put a Bafang 
> electric motor on in the future. I'm worried about an electric-only bike 
> having proprietary parts unavailable in 10 years (hello Urban Arrow Daum 
> motors, hello Cake Osa). Mitch Hedberg once said, "An escalator can never 
> break: it can only become stairs." A converted electric bike with broken 
> electric parts would also still just be a regular bike.
>
> Thoughts? 
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>

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