Exactly! The years long mystery has been solved....

On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 11:12:18 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> That's only the case if one deliberately misrepresents the size of 
> bicycles in the context of sloping top tubes.  Are you speculating that 
> Patrick Moore was teasingly threatening to broadcast to the world "Grant 
> insists that I ride a bike 6cm smaller than what I asked for!"?  If Patrick 
> Moore did that, it would be a deliberate misrepresentation.  I guess if 
> somebody threatened Grant "I'm going to deliberately misrepresent your 
> bicycle designs to the public" then it would be perfectly natural for Grant 
> to respond "Don't you dare".  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 7:56:06 AM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> A (ish) That while Grant was proselytizing that everyone has been 
>> undersized and should be on bigger sizes, for this guy who actually has 
>> embraced that big frame idea and small bit of seat post showing for a long 
>> time Grant is actually going to be DOWN sizing him to a 54.
>>
>>
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 10:42:50 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> What was it that Patrick Moore teasingly threatened to broadcast that 
>>> Grant did not want broadcast?
>>>
>>> A. That Grant would design a 54cm frame for an adult human that thinks 
>>> they need a 60cm frame?
>>> B. That Grant would allow "road" tubing to be used in an all-rounder 
>>> clone?
>>> C. That Grant would charge for a custom what was actually just an 
>>> All-Rounder and not a new design?
>>> D. Some other thing?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 7:09:46 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> You've told that story a hundred times, and I still don't comprehend 
>>>> what the "this" is that you were threatening to broadcast but that Grant 
>>>> did not want you to broadcast.  
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 1:50:28 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lol. When I ordered my first road custom in late 1994 I asked Grant to 
>>>>> build me a road bike like my '92 XO-1 but "better." (He said, "Oh, it'll 
>>>>> be 
>>>>> better.")
>>>>>
>>>>> He used the AR as a basic template tho' with road tubing and lugs, so 
>>>>> it was 54 cm c-c (again, I'm 60 c-c for a level tt fistful road bike). I 
>>>>> told him teasingly that I was going to broadcast this -- even then he was 
>>>>> known for proselytizing about big frames -- and he said, "Don't you dare."
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 25, 2024 at 6:57 AM Sarah Carlson <[email protected]> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Their gentle suggestion... "Do not EVEN try to get Grant to do this." 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 8:02:12 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will asked for a curated photo-shoot this morning.  Of course I was 
>>>>>>> happy to oblige.  Will indicated it was Grant who was concerned that 
>>>>>>> others 
>>>>>>> would demand that Riv replicate the Lindsay treatment, which is why 
>>>>>>> Will 
>>>>>>> put in the language that Riv can't replicate my build.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BL in EC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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