The Rivendell tribe is something that most people just don't get. Many 
people just don't know anything about what stirs the soul. Let's not get 
distracted by folks who don't get it. 
Enjoy the bikes, build up the community and maybe once in a while you can 
share the joy of riding a Rivendell with someone who doesn't get it yet.

On Thursday, September 26, 2024 at 8:48:35 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:

> Presumably, Patrick, these post-apocalyptic monstrosities help keep bike 
> shops afloat. What a bizarre twist of fate. Shop owners say they need this 
> income to stay afloat. Pharmacies maybe ought to start selling crack to 
> grade schoolers for similar reasons. 
>
> In my neighborhood these electric motorcycles terrorize the streets and 
> clog the bike paths. Three abreast, Red Bull in hand, all decked out in 
> black rather like motorcycle gangs channeling Marlon Brando. At least 
> motorcycle engines make noise, you can hear them and get out the way. These 
> things blow by unannounced at 30 mph dead silent save for the whine of the 
> motor and the kid’s whelping. 
>
> Shame on the bike shops for supporting the culture. Plenty of good shops 
> thrive without this income. Shame shame shame. 
>
> I fear I’m repeating myself, sorry about that. 
>
> Jock
>
> . 
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2024 at 7:34 AM Patrick Moore <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Changing the subject header: 
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2024 at 7:13 AM ascpgh <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for this gem: *"It’s weird to walk into a **bike shop these days and 
>>> honestly not want a single solitary thing they **have for sale except 
>>> for Rock N Roll lube or a tire lever."*
>>>
>>  
>>
>> Yes, 90% of the products in a modern bike shop don't interest me, but I'm 
>> glad they'll still hand-build a custom wheel -- tho' man, this is getting 
>> expensive: about $650 for rims, spokes and build, I supply hubs, no tires.
>>
>> ... I'll be glad when the bicycle industry returns to being centered on 
>>> bicyclists not the extremes of performance and racing. I still laugh and 
>>> appreciate the huge irony when I see an aero CFRP framed road bike with 
>>> deep section low spoke count wheels driven to rides in the bed of a 
>>> detailed clean bro-dozer pickup truck.  And old men in brand new Porsche 
>>> 911s.
>>>
>>>
>> It might well be electric motorcycles. I stopped into the Westside Fat 
>> Tire Bicycles yesterday and more and more floor space is being given to 
>> things that look like motorcycles -- they're a lot bigger than Honda 50s. 
>> They have pedals but with such wide Qs they can't be meant for pedaling. At 
>> this point I rather think of carbon fiber roadies with nostalgia.
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 7:41:42 PM UTC-4 [email protected] 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I read all of Grants stuff. Some of it I agree with a lot and some 
>>>> things I take with a grain of salt. I sort of love riding everything as 
>>>> long as it’s decently comfortable. The exception to that is carbon as I 
>>>> don’t understand enough about it and it makes me nervous. I also don’t 
>>>> need 
>>>> it as I’m a 15mph guy and not a 20+mph guy. I would say that I probably 
>>>> fell in love with my Gus as quickly as I’ve ever fallen in love with a 
>>>> bike 
>>>> since I was a kid, and I’ve owned a lot of bikes. I still wish it had disc 
>>>> brakes, but honestly, it’s all good. I sure am thankful Riv and Crust and 
>>>> a 
>>>> few other companies are still offering stuff I want to own. It’s weird to 
>>>> walk into a bike shop these days and honestly not want a single solitary 
>>>> thing they have for sale except for Rock N Roll lube or a tire lever. 
>>>>
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