Thanks to Dan in another thread for providing the link to the full geometry 
chart from Rivendell. I will post it below. Riv says that despite design 
changes the geometry remains the same so you can look at the 49mm frame 
here. Mine is 50mm but based on my effective reach measurement (which I am 
proud to say was pretty right on) I think its essentially the same. What 
you get vs the new one: v brake/canti mounts which equals way more tire 
clearance and way more brake choices. I will include shipping for the $2000

On Monday, October 14, 2024 at 12:43:17 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Also of note it has 650B wheels vs 700C for the other proto sizes. The 
> wheel and tire info would imply that but I wanted to be clear about the 
> info I have.
>
> On Monday, October 14, 2024 at 12:41:55 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Looks like that is around 570 which is a bit longer than the Roadini but 
>> that makes sense as its designed for sweptback. I can see if I can get 
>> anything more official from Rivendell too.
>>
>> On Monday, October 14, 2024 at 11:10:08 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Johnny, 
>>>
>>> Not in the market myself but folks might like to know the effective 
>>> toptube measurement, straight across from seatpost to headtube, C-to-C. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 14, 2024 at 5:51:55 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>>> I apologize I don't think I knew there was another one that had the 
>>>> headbadge. And there was a second small batch with a shallow swoop and 
>>>> sidepulls. Those may have headbadges.
>>>>
>>>> More info on this one. There are no real marks or dings. Very clean. It 
>>>> does not have a ton of miles because I do errands on my Clem more than 
>>>> road 
>>>> riding. I have had 48's on it with the mini-moto's and that fit fine but 
>>>> you could not go higher. Moving to regular V's or cant's would allow you 
>>>> to 
>>>> get higher than that but I am not positive what the upper limit would be. 
>>>>
>>>> I am open to offers but not trades. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 11:16:45 PM UTC-4 Pancake wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_5030.jpeg]
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 8:15:38 PM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Such a GREAT bike, the swoop is classy but the canti studs that allow 
>>>>>> v-brakes are the major advantage of this prototype. I have the 55cm and 
>>>>>> can’t say enough great things about it. I had flared drop bars and those 
>>>>>> were excellent with mini-v-brakes (80mm arms) but it really shines with 
>>>>>> sweptback bars and v-brakes. 50mm tires and upside down albatross bars 
>>>>>> with 
>>>>>> inner bar ends for a in the hoods position, it’s phenomenal. I commute, 
>>>>>> weekend around rides on pavement and dirt for 20-40 miles, and did a 
>>>>>> very 
>>>>>> rainy Wine country Century on it this summer. A little flexy compared to 
>>>>>> a 
>>>>>> Cheviot, but also faster and as smooth a ride. Better than a Homer for 
>>>>>> roads, as competent as a Platypus in the dirt. Mine came as a triple but 
>>>>>> it’s a better fit for a double (;6-30) and 10 speed rear (11-40t). Love 
>>>>>> this bike, anyone this fits would be crazy not to get it. Though I’ll 
>>>>>> quibble and say mine also came with a Charlie head badge which is just 
>>>>>> awesome 
>>>>>> Abe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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