I doubt Rivendell would manufacture a long chainstay bike without a kickstand plate? I think it doubles as a a stiffener for those long stays. I think it actually works quite well.:)
Sent from my iPhone You are right - I called and spoke to James, the Gallop does have a kickstand plate On Wednesday, October 30, 2024 at 5:56:28 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
I think the Charlie does have a kickstand plate? I could be mistaken, I saw a photo of the BB area that looked like there was none but this photo from the Riv product page leads me to believe that it's there, but was just out of frame in the other photo because of the long chainstays.
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On Saturday 26 October 2024 at 07:38:53 UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
![IMG_3208.jpeg]() G Ram One consideration I would have for a commuting bike is a kickstand plate - the Charlie and Roadini don’t have that. I own a 47cm Roadini (650b) that I was able to make work with the Soma chainstay mounted kickstand if I am careful about what I have on the bike, but my 50cm Roadini (700c) wouldn’t work with a Greenfield aftermarket plate or the Soma - they kept loosening, and I was afraid of mashing the chainstays if I tightened them any more. This was with Newbaums or strips of leather underneath. Homer, Platy, Sam, Clem, Roaduno, Atlantis, all of those come with kickstand plates.
I have a multi modal commute on the train where the main bike support for a stack of up to three bikes is a strap round the upper part of the bike. There are wheel straps at the side, but they are fiddly to reach without kneeling on the floor. This is on Metrolink in Los Angeles.
FWIW, I think Riv is very conservative in their weight ratings. Even their "light" offerings are very sturdy. I am 275 lbs and have owned several of their bikes and never had a problem. That includes a 61cm Roadeo and 61cm Roadini. Both were pretty stiff even with my weight. I road both mostly on pavement, but also on some light gravel trails around the City (Denver). I put maybe 10-15 extra pounds on the Roadini in a rear saddlebag and no issues. Actually the most flexible Riv I had was a 64cm Clem L, which is probably understandable given the low stepover and very long effective top tube length. I used to load that one up with groceries all the time in a front basket - probably another 20 pounds. It was fine, but a bit flexy.
-Ryan
On Thursday, October 24, 2024 at 5:32:01 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
FWIW. I’ve never toured but for decades I’ve carried heavy rear pannier loads (up to 50 lb) on lightweight frames including 2 Riv custom roads, a Ram, a heavy but very noodley Raleigh Technium (once carried ~20 lb of library books in a tall stack in my left pannier, nothing on right, across town), and on my best rear load carrier of them all, a very light, tout 531 1973 Motobecane Grand Record racing frame. Tubus Fly or custom racks. There was often a bit of tail wag — but less on the Motobecane for some reason! -- but apart from long distances on very rough roads I’d not worry too much about it.
IME and IMO, Rivendells are overbuilt for riders well under 200 lb and I’d not worry about it.
If I’m going to carry more than 30 lb on the current Riv-cloned 2020 Matthews with thinnish wall, normal gauge 531 tubing I do prefer to spread the load over front and rear panniers, say 20/30 f/r.
Patrick “currently about 170” Moore
Based on my experience with the CHG prototype I had, the Susie I have, and the frame geo and tubing on the production CHG - I am willing to bet it will have quite a noticeable flex to the frame, but I don't mean that in a negative way at all, quite the contrary! But if you commute with one heavier pannier like I do, it might feel weird. I found the Charlie to become overly noodly if I had stuff in my front basket and a pannier out back.
I think that if you wanted to run a rear rack (Nitto 32R would be perfect) and pair of panniers as a typical max load, the Charlie will be perfect. If you want to be able to run a pair of panniers out back and then a sizeable load up front as well, I would wait for a Hillborne. Keeping all the load at one end will minimize the additional stresses on the frame and I wouldn't personally worry about even heavier loads in those panniers (though I'd ride a little more gingerly at those times)
On Thursday 24 October 2024 at 09:37:05 UTC-7 Donzaemon wrote:
I've been wondering about weight limit myself. I have an AHH and weigh around 160 lb and have thought about doing some light touring with it. I wouldn't characterize the tubing as delicate at all and I feel pretty confident I can take what I think is an average loadout with it. Almost all of my gear is midrange except for maybe my 2p tent which is roughly 2.5 lbs.
On Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 4:19:10 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:
I am also in the ~150 lb range, and for my A Homer Hilsen, I never felt any flex until I loaded about 20-25 lbs of groceries in the back. The bike felt sprightly with the weight in the back. I don't know if the spring-like feeling I got riding out of the saddle is planing, but it sure felt good.
I'm guessing that the Charlie is built for ~185 lbs if not more, so I personally would not hesitate to add 20 lbs on a rear rack and another 5-10 for the front (for your weight).
Toshi in Oakland
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