As you say, 500g doesn't make a bit of difference. For me, a light build is exactly what it is: a light build. Some people think there is some other point to a light build. Some people think a light build is a fast build. Those people are correct, but the exchange rate is 1MPH per 12 pounds of bike weight. In other words a lighter bike is faster, but only a teeny tiny bit faster. Others think the point of a light build is one of "feel" or "fun". They say they enjoy "throwing the bike around" and a lighter bike feels more fun to throw around. I'm neither of those people. I just like doing light builds, to show they can be done, even on a Rivendell. That's the end of it. After I've done a build I just enjoy my bike.
The unique thing about the Gallop in my stable is that it's a purpose-built flat-bar road bike. It is too long for a drop bar build, and is long enough to get a good athletic fit with a flat bar. My expectation is it won't "compare" with my Lightning Bolt. It will complement my Lightning Bolt. Both will have a welcome slot in my stable, because they are different and are what they are. I don't have any ride reporting to do because I put the chainring bolts on my Christmas List and I expect my son to give them to me for Christmas. No chainring bolts, no drivetrain. No drivetrain, no riding. Hopefully around New Years I can do a build reveal and a ride report. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 6:07:50 PM UTC-8 [email protected] wrote: > Hi Bill, > > thanks for your efforts and have fun with the built. Without considering > the claim Riv made on their page, this is still what I would have expected, > maybe 100-200g more, but that's ok. The frame has a kickstand plate, a lot > of eyelets, a pump peg, pretty lugs and a longer top tube with that design. > Are the tubing specs known? I expect them to be .8 - .6 or even .9 - .6 and > I guess that they used the BB shell and headtube from other frames, which > might be overbuilt a bit, too. > > These additional 500g won't negatively influence the ride qualities > compared to a classic 2kg road steel frame. Even ambitious road cyclists > with a sub 20 BMI could use this as an All Road training bike or as a long > distance rig. I would definitely like to test ride this with its special > geometry (relatively slack HTA and this rando fork design). How does it > steer and behave compared to a rando low trail design like a Crust LB? > > Best, J > > On Tuesday, 17 December 2024 at 23:09:19 UTC+1 [email protected] wrote: > >> Let’s see it! >> >> Sounds perfect. >> >> P. W. >> ~ >> (917) 514-2207 >> ~ >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 17, 2024, at 1:59 PM, J J <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Bill, it's fun to watch your rational and systematic builds and weight >> limiting considerations. >> >> >> I suspect you're right that most RBW Group members don't weight their >> bikes. I never have until just a minute ago, when I weighed my most recent >> project, a size 58 Hunqapillar, out of curiosity. >> >> *The Hunq came in at 31.8 pounds*. That was less than I expected, having >> paid no attention at all toward limiting weight (i.e., it has front and >> rear Nitto racks, Cliffhanger wheels, 700c X 50 tires, Boscomoose, triple >> crankset, Pletscher kickstand, fenders, Lambda pedals, etc.). I >> corroborated the weight with a second luggage scale. >> >> On Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >>> I wouldn't call it an issue. I was just that I was trying to understand >>> the specifics of your question. It seemed you were asking just me, but now >>> I understand you are taking a poll, asking everybody to chime in on how >>> they weigh their bikes. My impression of the RBW Group is that most people >>> would respond "I don't weigh my bike". >>> >>> BL in EC >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 12:24:17 PM UTC-8 David Hays wrote: >>> >>>> Not sure of your issue… >>>> I was just wondering as I make my builds and look to see what choices >>>> to make, how everyone weighs a bike. >>>> Dvid Hays >>>> Williamsville, New York >>>> >>>> On Dec 17, 2024, at 2:20 PM, Bill Lindsay <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> David asked: "as we enter weight weenie deliberations, what is >>>> excluded? Pedals? Saddles?…" >>>> >>>> I guess that depends on what exactly you mean by "we". If "we" >>>> includes David Hays from Williamsville, New York, then by all means >>>> enumerate the stuff you want to exclude in the weight weenie build you are >>>> currently working on. I'm also not clear on what is meant by >>>> "deliberations". It sounds like somebody is going to approve or disapprove >>>> of my build. If "we" is code for "Bill Lindsay", and "deliberations" is >>>> code for "disclosure" then I'll happily respond to the rules I apply to my >>>> weight weenie build(s): >>>> >>>> Pedals? Pedals are absolutely INcluded when I weigh in. For this >>>> particular build I am going to take the liberty of excluding several >>>> things: a pump, a water bottle, a bell, a cyclometer, any reflective >>>> items, lighting, and a repair kit. I don't always exclude those items, >>>> but >>>> this time I will. >>>> >>>> Saddles? The use of the plural here again makes it sound like there >>>> are many of us submitting our builds. If it is still just focused on me, >>>> then my build will have only one saddle, and my weigh-in will include that >>>> singular saddle (but it's insanely light). :-) >>>> >>>> BL in EC >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 10:54:07 AM UTC-8 David Hays wrote: >>>> >>>>> I’m just curious Bill: as we enter weight weenie deliberations, what >>>>> is excluded? Pedals? Saddles?… >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> David Hays >>>>> Williamsville, New York >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 16, 2024, at 8:21 PM, Bill Lindsay <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It's a single Ti King Cage as it is. 28 grams. Bike weigh-ins never >>>>> include bottles. :-). >>>>> >>>>> BL in EC >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, December 16, 2024 at 4:58:39 PM UTC-8 nlerner wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Bill, I think you'll need to skip water bottles and cages and go with >>>>>> a Camelback. >>>>>> >>>>>> Neal Lerner >>>>>> Brookline MA >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, December 16, 2024 at 7:42:34 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I picked up my 57 Gallop frame today. I told Will and Roman about >>>>>>> my weight weenie build intentions, and they were entertained. Will >>>>>>> said he >>>>>>> doubted I could get it into the 19-pound range, and I told him it >>>>>>> hinged on >>>>>>> the claimed frame weight on the Gallop page. He didn't remember that >>>>>>> there >>>>>>> is/was a weight claim on there. The quote is: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "A 57cm frame weights about 4.8lb. That's plenty light." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I didn't actually expect it to be quite that light, given that my >>>>>>> Roadeo frame weighed in at almost exactly that weight. My guess for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> fork weight was 970g. I did my weigh in and the fork came in light at >>>>>>> 930g >>>>>>> with the (practically weightless) crown race. The frame though was a >>>>>>> full >>>>>>> 2528g with the headset cups still pressed in. That's about a >>>>>>> half-pound >>>>>>> heavier than the claim on the webpage. That's also about 1/4 pound >>>>>>> lighter >>>>>>> than my RoadUno frame, and about 3/4 pound heavier than my Roadeo >>>>>>> frame. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That actual weight makes my sub-20 pound target a little harder. It >>>>>>> may end up being more like 20-1/4 pounds. 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