I ran Gran Comps on my Roadeo and liked them too. With Yokozuna pads. Mike SLO CA On Monday, December 23, 2024 at 10:11:20 AM UTC-8 Will Boericke wrote:
> I have the Gran Compes but no experience with direct mount. I like them > a lot. > > Will near Boston > > On Monday, December 23, 2024 at 11:09:14 AM UTC-5 Robert Blunt wrote: > >> It’s low trail with no weight on the front end yet so steering is a >> little squirrelly but it is spry feeling. The tube set is quite light I >> think. I am unaccustomed to the albatross bars so time will tell whether >> they stay. I won’t be able to properly put the bike through its paces until >> it warms up a bit. It’s currently around fifteen degrees in NJ! >> >> On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 11:02 AM Oliver Moss <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Looks great. I hadn't seen those Grand Bois cranks before, they're cool. >>> How does the bike ride? >>> >>> On Monday, December 23, 2024 at 9:49:32 AM UTC-5 Robert Blunt wrote: >>> >>>> Here is a shot of the Elephant National Forest Express I recently >>>> nabbed on the bay (apologies for all the shadows on the bike). I went with >>>> Mafac raids as a friend had a set and the price was right. Albatross bars, >>>> silver shifters, Paul levers, VO zeppelin fenders, grand bois rims to >>>> shimano silent hubs, grad bois double crank, VO constructeur rack, grand >>>> bois hetrres, Berthoud touring saddle, Riv setback seatpost, Riv lugged >>>> stem, cork grips, grand bois flashlight, alumalite rear light. It is not a >>>> heavy bike. >>>> >>>> Robert Blunt >>>> Pennington, NJ >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2024 at 8:36 PM Robert Blunt <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> As soon as I get it I will post pictures. It's on its way. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2024 at 5:41 PM P W <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>> Let’s see this Elephant then! >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> P. W. >>>>>> ~ >>>>>> (917) 514-2207 >>>>>> ~ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 4, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Robert Blunt <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter Adler, >>>>>> THANK YOU! I have a fantastic mechanic up in the Water Gap who has >>>>>> spare Mafacs laying around (Racer and Raids) so as soon as the frame >>>>>> gets >>>>>> here, we will try every Mafac he has in stock. I think I will give Paul >>>>>> a >>>>>> call and ask them if they might work. These are definitely not >>>>>> canti-posts >>>>>> so if I were able to make the Pauls work I would invest in them. I have >>>>>> them on my saluki and I am pretty blown away by their power. Do you or >>>>>> anyone else have any experience with Dia Comp Gran Compe centerpulls? >>>>>> --Rob >>>>>> Pennington, NJ >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2024 at 4:24 PM Peter Adler <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> MAFACs have the virtue of being widely available (cannibalized off >>>>>>> 70s bikes, if nothing else) and therefore cheap. If you have none of >>>>>>> your >>>>>>> own, and there's no abandoned 70s bikes out on the sidewalk in your >>>>>>> area to >>>>>>> cannibalize, your town is between Princeton and Trenton; surely they >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> community bike shops with scavenged components. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Paul centerpulls (which they're apparently making in both original >>>>>>> <https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/brakes/center-pull-brakes/racer/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and "medium" >>>>>>> <https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/brakes/center-pull-brakes/racer-medium/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> style again, after discontinuing them for a while a couple of years >>>>>>> ago) >>>>>>> use the same pivot post diameter as MAFAC centerpulls; it's that: 1) >>>>>>> Paul's >>>>>>> centerpull/canti pivots are longer than normal centerpull pivots, to >>>>>>> accommodate the pivot booster and 2) centerpull posts have a >>>>>>> different >>>>>>> placement from cantilever posts*. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So you can't mount Paul centerpulls on posts for cantilever brakes, >>>>>>> and vice versa. I'm unclear what would happen if you tried to mount >>>>>>> Paul >>>>>>> calipers on standard-length posts; personally, I'd want to phone Paul >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> talk to a person who could tell me, before committing $300+ to a >>>>>>> brakeset. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Usually, the spacing between the posts is also wrong for switching >>>>>>> brake designs, and this is a place where the selection of centerpull >>>>>>> brake >>>>>>> comes into play. The spacing between all the non-RAID MAFAC models is >>>>>>> 62-83 >>>>>>> mm C-C, while the 650B-centric RAID is 75 mm (the adjustable reach Top >>>>>>> 63 >>>>>>> is 73 mm, but they're very rare). Measure your posts and see what you >>>>>>> need, >>>>>>> with the understanding that there are Dia-Compes (some branded as Grand >>>>>>> Bois or Rene Herse) that fit those spacings. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's a Google Docs spreadsheet (snitched from Bike Forums) with a >>>>>>> breakdown on different centerpull models, including post diameters, >>>>>>> post >>>>>>> spacings and caliper reach: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ze6QFPgZFbBQmgM8ATWDE5JStRur-Q3-Mmr4hMtclRg/edit?gid=295272010#gid=295272010 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If I were in your position - well, I'd sample several of my vast >>>>>>> hoard of MAFAC brakes (Dural Forge, Racer, Competition, GT, RAID) to >>>>>>> see >>>>>>> what fit the pivot posts and gave sufficient clearance for the wheels. >>>>>>> If >>>>>>> you have no such stash, local bike kitchens are the logical place to >>>>>>> find >>>>>>> candidates. Find out if there's a cheap salvaged brake that will work, >>>>>>> before committing sizable money to new calipers; at least that way, you >>>>>>> have a bailout option. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * cantilevers place the brake pads above the pivot; centerpulls >>>>>>> place the pads below the pivot; to fit the same size wheel, direct >>>>>>> mount >>>>>>> centerpull pivots need to be placed higher than cantilever posts. >>>>>>> Typically, you can distinguish the two post placements by the distance >>>>>>> between the posts and the fork crown/rear brake bridge; centerpull >>>>>>> posts >>>>>>> are usually placed so high you couldn't mount cantilever brakes on the >>>>>>> post >>>>>>> at all, as the crown/bridge would block the pads >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Peter Adler >>>>>>> Berkeley, CA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, November 3, 2024 at 5:54:55 PM UTC-8 Oliver Moss wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ah, so you're the one who picked that Elephant. That looked sweet! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, November 3, 2024 at 6:31:37 PM UTC-5 Robert Blunt wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>> I just snagged an elephant frame whose geometry is modeled on the >>>>>>> NFE (650B), but with center pull braze ons rather than disc brakes. I >>>>>>> am >>>>>>> looking for recommendations for brakes. From what I can gather, I >>>>>>> basically >>>>>>> can have the Herse or Compass center pulls if go new, and Mafac raids >>>>>>> if I >>>>>>> go old. I think the Paul racers won’t work since they are designed >>>>>>> around a >>>>>>> different diameter braze on. I would love to know if I am wrong about >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> as Pauls would be my go to. Anyway, the Saluki was last winter’s >>>>>>> project >>>>>>> and the elephant will be this winter’s fun. 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