I find MUSA shorts 90% perfect.  A little short & billowy as Mike originally
said.  I keep my camera in my front pocket and it always flops down and out
the side of the shorts.  If I'm wearing boxers the MUSA shorts open up and
show my undies to the world.  That said, the material is wonderful and the
deep pockets are great.  Construction is spot on as well.  I do wish they
had a little bit of Lycra/Spandex in them.  The knickers really need the
stretch as well.

I mentioned Zoics previously in my FS posting.  Their Ether shorts are also
90% perfect, but in different areas.  They're two inches longer than the
MUSAs and have extra cargo pockets.  That's perfect for me.  Their material
isn't as nice and gets kinda' pilly/rough over time.  Pockets are really
shallow which I don't like and they have excessive/unnecessary ornamentation
on them.  The detachable diaper that comes with them is pretty nice and I
can use it with other shorts as necessary.

FYI, they're currently on sale @ REI:  http://www.rei.com/product/797306


On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J <
[email protected]> wrote:

> +1 on the Rapha shorts.  Just came back from a 7 day tour on my Atlantis,
> used them and Rapha liners.  Perfect. But kind of stupid pricey, even for as
> great as they are.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron MH
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:01 AM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Shorts--MUSA alternatives
>
> I know this is going to sound far too fancy-schmancy, but the Rapha
> "touring shorts" are the bomb! I have two pair and wear them as my only
> biking shorts. They're lightweight, have no bulky and useless chamois, slim
> in the leg, have some clever bike specific features (tall in back, two
> hidden pockets, etc) long in the leg and look pretty darned good off the
> bike. Swrve also have some great looking shorts. I'll be soon picking up a
> pair.
>
> Ron
>
> On Jul 2, 6:52 am, Mike <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I find myself riding less and less in bibs and more and more in my
> > MUSA knickers. In spite of the current rain here in Portland I'm still
> > hoping summer is on the way. I have two pairs of MUSA shorts and like
> > them although they're just a tad too short and billowy for me. I wish
> > Riv would make them a bit longer and narrower in the leg but I doubt
> > that'll happen. I'm curious what other shorts people use. For pedaling
> > around town I have a couple pair of Ben Davis pants cut and hemmed and
> > they're great but not something I would want to wear for 60 mile ride.
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > mike
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