When I first saw the production schedule I immediately knew I wanted an Atlantis. But after thinking about my cycling habits and goals, I realized it's probably wayy too much bike for me. If I lived in a more rural environment and my group rides were more geared towards that environment then the Atlantis would be THE bike. But for now, my Roadini is more than enough for the pavelement/trail rides. Better that one of those beautiful rides goes to someone who will actually use it like it's supposed to be.
On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 9:07 AM Alfonso Saco Díaz <[email protected]> wrote: > It’s been a very informative off-topic though, Doug. > > As I said, I plan on getting a size 55 in Blue. As much as I liked the > last batch of Appas in Sergio Green, the Atlantis version isn’t quite of my > liking. > > It’d also be interesting to see what sizes people order based in their > height and PBH. I’m 6’1 and 88 PBH and am going for size 55 as I plan on > riding mainly off-road, maxing out tire size and therefore I’d welcome the > standover provided in size 55. > > Good luck in the presale > > El El jue, 20 mar 2025 a las 15:50, Doug H. <[email protected]> > escribió: > >> I regrettably derailed the original intent of this thread. Who it >> planning to order an Atlantis today? If you do plan to order one, which >> color? >> Doug >> >> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 11:46:36 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote: >> >>> They've been pretty transparent about their goals and stratgy, through >>> blogs and blahgs and emails. >>> In fact, I can't think of another company that wears it's business on >>> it's sleeve so openly. If someone wanted to read enough archives, the >>> thought process would become pretty clear. >>> >>> My recollection, to add to what's already been said, is that they would >>> prefer to order EXACTLY enough for everybody who wants one immediately, and >>> also have EXACTLY enough extra stock for a year or two of future sales of >>> each model. But it' obviously difficult to predict what that number will >>> be. It's not to intentionally create a rush or to keep them exclusive by >>> shutting some people out. On the other hand, they do need for customers to >>> act with some urgency once the shipment lands, because it locks up a lot of >>> cash that they can't afford to be without. >>> >>> The required minimum quantities of sizes that don't sell well adds to >>> the difficulty. As does their limited storage space. >>> >>> I understand why someone would be frustrated, and have been there >>> myself. Ever since the Great Recession, I've sort of lived hand-to-mouth, >>> and am not always able to make big or spontaneous or discretionary >>> purchases at times that coincide with Rivendell's schedule. Probably a >>> good thing, in some ways. If I could, I'd buy an Atlantis today, just to >>> test-fit - knowing there isn't a just-right size - and then probably >>> release it later. >>> >>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 9:14:18 AM UTC-6 EGNolan wrote: >>> >>>> It seems they're more popular, but the Riv mindset isn't to grow, it's >>>> to remain sustainable. So rather than maximize sales potential, but >>>> possibly sit on product for months or years, it's better to order just >>>> enough to mostly sell out. >>>> >>>> I get that it's frustrating not to be able to order one of any size of >>>> any frame at any time, but the companies that keep that kind of stock also >>>> have to charge enough initially so they still make money when they close >>>> out last year's model for 50% off before they pay taxes on anything they >>>> don't sell by year's end. >>>> >>>> I think it's easier to manage cash flow, expectations and all of the >>>> plates they're spinning if they can be intentional about quantities rather >>>> than having them sit around and having to figure out how to sell them. They >>>> used to have a lot more frames available when they had a lot more sizes of >>>> each frame and had a bit less of an audience. I don't think quantities have >>>> been reduced, I think variables (like number of sizes per bike, custom >>>> paint, etc.) have, which make them easier to sell. >>>> >>>> Sustainable business practices don't always feel "good for the >>>> consumer" but I'd rather have Rivendell Bicycle Works around than have the >>>> option to buy a frame in my size at any time if it meant they went buh-bye. >>>> >>>> $.02 >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Eric >>>> Indpls >>>> >>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 10:45:04 AM UTC-4 Andy Beichler wrote: >>>> >>>>> Doug, I don't have any insight but perhaps someone here, does. Has >>>>> Rivendell started making smaller orders or are they just more popular? >>>>> Either of those could cause low inventory situations. As someone who has >>>>> bought parts but never a frame from Rivendell, the main issue for me with >>>>> low inventory is that I can't endlessly do the pro/con rundown in my head >>>>> on buying an available frame or complete. :) >>>>> >>>>> Back on topic-I won't be buying an Atlantis today but I will log in >>>>> later to see if there is one still available in my size. >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 3:57:25 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Your points make sense, Collin. Ordering to meet unreasonable, >>>>>> unsustainable demand would be a mistake for sure. Ordering enough to have >>>>>> inventory available would be nice, as a consumer. But, I am in no way >>>>>> knowledgeable about how to run a business successfully. I was just >>>>>> offering >>>>>> my observation. >>>>>> Doug >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 3:52:18 PM UTC-4 Collin A wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Doug, what you describe as being frustrating to the consumer is >>>>>>> kinda what happened during COVID - a HUGE demand for bikes early in the >>>>>>> pandemic encouraged a lot of companies to over-order parts and bikes (in >>>>>>> hindsight) and now those same companies are stuck with all the overstock >>>>>>> and are just losing money hand-over-fist...so I'm very happy Riv isn't >>>>>>> going down the path of ordering to meet demand and focusing on designing >>>>>>> good stuff that folks want and making sure the company holds on for the >>>>>>> long haul. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Collin, Overstocked in Oakland >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 12:46:33 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This business model of having presales and keeping framesets >>>>>>>> somewhat scarce is interesting. People know if they don't act quickly >>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>> chance may be gone for a year or more. Or, they can try to get a >>>>>>>> frame/bicycle of choice in the used market. I must say it is >>>>>>>> aggravating as >>>>>>>> a consumer but as a business practice it seems to work! >>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 18, 2025 at 3:45:42 PM UTC-4 >>>>>>>> der_amerikanische_freund wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am planning on getting one in Atlantis classic color. I was kind >>>>>>>>> of disappointed it is being offered in a color other than the classic >>>>>>>>> Atlantis blue. I think that was part of its appeal, the original >>>>>>>>> (albeit >>>>>>>>> very different to the original model) bike in the Riv line-up that >>>>>>>>> was only >>>>>>>>> offered in one color, true to its principles blah blah blah. Also with >>>>>>>>> Sergio green also being the color of the Appaloosa, and those two >>>>>>>>> bikes >>>>>>>>> being so similar, I would even be tempted to merge them, effectively >>>>>>>>> discontinuing one of the two, and offer more intermediate sizes of the >>>>>>>>> resulting "Appa-lantis". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Another thing I am not too enthused about this year's model is the >>>>>>>>> pump peg in the seat stays. I do prefer the less conspicuous pin in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> head tube underneath the top tube. I think that if you are not >>>>>>>>> planning on >>>>>>>>> carrying a large pump in the seat stay (either because you have a >>>>>>>>> mini pump >>>>>>>>> or because you large pump lives in a frame bag), the peg itself is a >>>>>>>>> bit of >>>>>>>>> an eyesore that ruins the straight line simplicity of the seat stays >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> rear triangle. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> El lunes, 17 de marzo de 2025 a las 12:39:24 UTC, Doug H. escribió: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Kat, >>>>>>>>>> I agree that the original Atlantis color is classic and to my >>>>>>>>>> eyes just suits the bike. But, I really like the Sergio Green which >>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>> make it a tough choice for me! I have always been a fan of shades of >>>>>>>>>> green >>>>>>>>>> anyway including the Lime Olive green that Riv has used. I wonder if >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Atlantis bikes will sell out and/or sell quickly during the presale? >>>>>>>>>> It is >>>>>>>>>> always fun to watch but even more fun to participate. >>>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 17, 2025 at 5:42:37 AM UTC-4 Kat wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just days now until the 2025 Atlantis sale! Who's planning on >>>>>>>>>>> getting one? What colour? I'm interested in hearing people's >>>>>>>>>>> thoughts on >>>>>>>>>>> the Sergio green - I do feel much of the appeal of the Atlantis is >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> gorgeous blue. 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