I have an Appaloosa so was watching the sale out of curiosity, wild how quickly they went. I’d chalk it up to what, five years since the last Atlantis batch?
On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 7:47:48 PM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote: > @Drew, > > There is a used 59cm blue Clem on the San Fransisco Craigslist site: > > > https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/mill-valley-59cm-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7824967277.html > > Kim Hetzel. > > > On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 3:36:27 PM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote: > >> I reached out to Analog about the Clem's (as I missed out on a 59cm >> complete/frame) and got this response: >> >> "Hi Drew, >> >> Riv, for a number of reasons that are not very interesting, has >> temporarily suspended all dealer frame sales. Hopefully by summer it's >> back in action, but the last frames we were able to get were the Roadinis. >> So no clems, I'm sorry!" >> >> Blue Lug might be your best bet, as they still got some of the last round >> of Clems(of which I still missed out on a 59cm....). Though it might be >> worth reaching out to James at Analog before then! >> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 5:38:27 PM UTC-4 der_amerikanische_freund >> wrote: >> >>> I wonder, if getting one online in the presale is almost impossible, >>> can't you just call ahead Analog cycles or some other dealer and reserve >>> one on the phone? >>> >>> I think an improvement to Riv's current system would be to have a time >>> window before placing an order (let's 6 months before, even 1 year before) >>> where everyone who wants one pays a deposit. That way they know how many >>> frames they will sell, and they will place and order accordingly, and they >>> will also get a lot of cash in advance (more so than they do now), and >>> people will have certainty they will get the frame they wanted. If someone >>> bails out last minute, Rivendell would still keep the deposit money, plus >>> they can still sell the bike to a new person. >>> >>> El jueves, 20 de marzo de 2025 a las 19:32:05 UTC, iamkeith escribió: >>> >>>> And only a couple of those! Continuing the parallel discussion, I'd >>>> bet it would have been frustrating even for Rivendell to not have enough, >>>> if they felt like they might have missed some sales and left money on the >>>> table. Let's assume they ordered exactly the right number. That's >>>> impressive! >>>> >>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 1:26:50 PM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote: >>>> >>>>> Unbelievable! All sold except size 62 Sergio Green. >>>>> Doug >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 3:13:09 PM UTC-4 Ben Miller wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sorry to hear that Armand! Yeah, looks like all the Classic Sub Green >>>>>> are sold out, other that the largest size, in less than 5 mins. >>>>>> Hopefully >>>>>> you can get one from one of the Riv dealers, like Blue Lug or Analog?? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 12:07:17 PM UTC-7 [email protected] >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Apparently I do *not* have dibs one a 55cm Submarine Green >>>>>>> Atlantis! Was ready to go at noon, apparently the time it took for me >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> change my shipping address was enough to sell out in the first minute. >>>>>>> Still want one should a lucky buyer change their mind. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 6 minutes in and all 50, 55, 59 sizes in both colors sold out! >>>>>>> Insane. I wonder what quantities they had available. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 10:28:44 AM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've got dibs on a 55cm in submarine green at noon! I'm about 5' >>>>>>>> 10.5" with about an 85cm pbh, barefoot. I have a good idea of fit >>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>> of my 55cm Platypus, just slightly less reach and more stack with the >>>>>>>> 55cm >>>>>>>> Atlantis, which should work out perfectly in dialing my fit. Going 55 >>>>>>>> vs 53 >>>>>>>> also means taller stack, and a larger main triangle for a custom half >>>>>>>> frame >>>>>>>> bag. Not overly concerned with an abundance of stand over height, as I >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> be mostly riding this on pavement and smoother fire roads, have a >>>>>>>> proper >>>>>>>> mountain bike for singletrack. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I appreciate the pump peg being out of the main triangle, though I >>>>>>>> wish they would just put it behind the seat tube and take advantage of >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> massive real estate with the long chainstays. Plus a nod to old school >>>>>>>> mtb's pump placement. I will end up color matching a frame pump, just >>>>>>>> 'cause. Excited to run some 55cm rene herse slicks and squeeze in some >>>>>>>> Honjo flat fenders. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As for the business model of minimal inventory, I think it's great. >>>>>>>> From a behavioral design perspective, it easily tips those who are on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> fence of purchasing into buying, such as myself! I definitely don't >>>>>>>> *need* an Atlantis right now, my Platypus checks enough boxes. But >>>>>>>> because I know I want a traditional diamond frame at some point, and >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> "some point" is in these limited windows of time, I will buy one >>>>>>>> today. >>>>>>>> Limited availability and scarcity wreaks havoc with our evolutionary >>>>>>>> psychology when it comes to objects of need or desire. More businesses >>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>> to be content with their size, and evolve just enough to account for >>>>>>>> inflation and rising wages, like Rivendell do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 9:24:45 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am just under 5'10" or a tad over 5'9" ;-), with an 83 PBH. I >>>>>>>>> would likely go with a size 53 but according to the recommended >>>>>>>>> sizing >>>>>>>>> could ride a 50 too. I prefer to have just a fist full of seat post >>>>>>>>> showing. I like both colors. >>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 12:07:09 PM UTC-4 >>>>>>>>> der_amerikanische_freund wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It’s been a very informative off-topic though, Doug. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As I said, I plan on getting a size 55 in Blue. As much as I >>>>>>>>>> liked the last batch of Appas in Sergio Green, the Atlantis version >>>>>>>>>> isn’t >>>>>>>>>> quite of my liking. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It’d also be interesting to see what sizes people order based in >>>>>>>>>> their height and PBH. I’m 6’1 and 88 PBH and am going for size 55 as >>>>>>>>>> I plan >>>>>>>>>> on riding mainly off-road, maxing out tire size and therefore I’d >>>>>>>>>> welcome >>>>>>>>>> the standover provided in size 55. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Good luck in the presale >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> El El jue, 20 mar 2025 a las 15:50, Doug H. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> escribió: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I regrettably derailed the original intent of this thread. Who >>>>>>>>>>> it planning to order an Atlantis today? If you do plan to order >>>>>>>>>>> one, which >>>>>>>>>>> color? >>>>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 11:46:36 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> They've been pretty transparent about their goals and stratgy, >>>>>>>>>>>> through blogs and blahgs and emails. >>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, I can't think of another company that wears it's >>>>>>>>>>>> business on it's sleeve so openly. If someone wanted to read >>>>>>>>>>>> enough >>>>>>>>>>>> archives, the thought process would become pretty clear. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> My recollection, to add to what's already been said, is that >>>>>>>>>>>> they would prefer to order EXACTLY enough for everybody who wants >>>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>>> immediately, and also have EXACTLY enough extra stock for a year >>>>>>>>>>>> or two of >>>>>>>>>>>> future sales of each model. But it' obviously difficult to >>>>>>>>>>>> predict what >>>>>>>>>>>> that number will be. It's not to intentionally create a rush or >>>>>>>>>>>> to keep >>>>>>>>>>>> them exclusive by shutting some people out. On the other hand, >>>>>>>>>>>> they do >>>>>>>>>>>> need for customers to act with some urgency once the shipment >>>>>>>>>>>> lands, >>>>>>>>>>>> because it locks up a lot of cash that they can't afford to be >>>>>>>>>>>> without. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The required minimum quantities of sizes that don't sell well >>>>>>>>>>>> adds to the difficulty. As does their limited storage space. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I understand why someone would be frustrated, and have been >>>>>>>>>>>> there myself. Ever since the Great Recession, I've sort of lived >>>>>>>>>>>> hand-to-mouth, and am not always able to make big or spontaneous >>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>> discretionary purchases at times that coincide with Rivendell's >>>>>>>>>>>> schedule. >>>>>>>>>>>> Probably a good thing, in some ways. If I could, I'd buy an >>>>>>>>>>>> Atlantis >>>>>>>>>>>> today, just to test-fit - knowing there isn't a just-right size - >>>>>>>>>>>> and then >>>>>>>>>>>> probably release it later. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 9:14:18 AM UTC-6 EGNolan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems they're more popular, but the Riv mindset isn't to >>>>>>>>>>>>> grow, it's to remain sustainable. So rather than maximize sales >>>>>>>>>>>>> potential, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but possibly sit on product for months or years, it's better to >>>>>>>>>>>>> order just >>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to mostly sell out. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I get that it's frustrating not to be able to order one of any >>>>>>>>>>>>> size of any frame at any time, but the companies that keep that >>>>>>>>>>>>> kind of >>>>>>>>>>>>> stock also have to charge enough initially so they still make >>>>>>>>>>>>> money when >>>>>>>>>>>>> they close out last year's model for 50% off before they pay >>>>>>>>>>>>> taxes on >>>>>>>>>>>>> anything they don't sell by year's end. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's easier to manage cash flow, expectations and all >>>>>>>>>>>>> of the plates they're spinning if they can be intentional about >>>>>>>>>>>>> quantities >>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than having them sit around and having to figure out how >>>>>>>>>>>>> to sell >>>>>>>>>>>>> them. They used to have a lot more frames available when they had >>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot >>>>>>>>>>>>> more sizes of each frame and had a bit less of an audience. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think >>>>>>>>>>>>> quantities have been reduced, I think variables (like number of >>>>>>>>>>>>> sizes per >>>>>>>>>>>>> bike, custom paint, etc.) have, which make them easier to sell. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sustainable business practices don't always feel "good for the >>>>>>>>>>>>> consumer" but I'd rather have Rivendell Bicycle Works around than >>>>>>>>>>>>> have the >>>>>>>>>>>>> option to buy a frame in my size at any time if it meant they >>>>>>>>>>>>> went buh-bye. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> $.02 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric >>>>>>>>>>>>> Indpls >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 10:45:04 AM UTC-4 Andy Beichler >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug, I don't have any insight but perhaps someone here, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> does. Has Rivendell started making smaller orders or are they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just more >>>>>>>>>>>>>> popular? Either of those could cause low inventory situations. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> who has bought parts but never a frame from Rivendell, the main >>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> me with low inventory is that I can't endlessly do the pro/con >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rundown in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my head on buying an available frame or complete. :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Back on topic-I won't be buying an Atlantis today but I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> log in later to see if there is one still available in my size. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 3:57:25 PM UTC-4 Doug H. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your points make sense, Collin. Ordering to meet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonable, unsustainable demand would be a mistake for sure. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ordering >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to have inventory available would be nice, as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumer. But, I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in no way knowledgeable about how to run a business >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successfully. I was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just offering my observation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 3:52:18 PM UTC-4 Collin A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug, what you describe as being frustrating to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumer is kinda what happened during COVID - a HUGE demand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for bikes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> early in the pandemic encouraged a lot of companies to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over-order parts and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bikes (in hindsight) and now those same companies are stuck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overstock and are just losing money hand-over-fist...so I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very happy Riv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't going down the path of ordering to meet demand and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focusing on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designing good stuff that folks want and making sure the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company holds on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the long haul. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Collin, Overstocked in Oakland >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 12:46:33 PM UTC-7 Doug H. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This business model of having presales and keeping >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> framesets somewhat scarce is interesting. People know if they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't act >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly their chance may be gone for a year or more. Or, they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can try to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a frame/bicycle of choice in the used market. I must say >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aggravating as a consumer but as a business practice it seems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 18, 2025 at 3:45:42 PM UTC-4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> der_amerikanische_freund wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am planning on getting one in Atlantis classic color. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was kind of disappointed it is being offered in a color >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other than the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> classic Atlantis blue. I think that was part of its appeal, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the original >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (albeit very different to the original model) bike in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Riv line-up that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was only offered in one color, true to its principles blah >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blah blah. Also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Sergio green also being the color of the Appaloosa, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those two >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bikes being so similar, I would even be tempted to merge >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them, effectively >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discontinuing one of the two, and offer more intermediate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sizes of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulting "Appa-lantis". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another thing I am not too enthused about this year's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> model is the pump peg in the seat stays. I do prefer the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less conspicuous >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pin in the head tube underneath the top tube. I think that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you are not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planning on carrying a large pump in the seat stay (either >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because you have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a mini pump or because you large pump lives in a frame bag), >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the peg itself >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a bit of an eyesore that ruins the straight line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplicity of the seat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stays and rear triangle. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El lunes, 17 de marzo de 2025 a las 12:39:24 UTC, Doug H. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escribió: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kat, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree that the original Atlantis color is classic and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to my eyes just suits the bike. But, I really like the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio Green which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would make it a tough choice for me! I have always been a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fan of shades of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> green anyway including the Lime Olive green that Riv has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used. I wonder if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Atlantis bikes will sell out and/or sell quickly during >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the presale? It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is always fun to watch but even more fun to participate. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 17, 2025 at 5:42:37 AM UTC-4 Kat wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just days now until the 2025 Atlantis sale! Who's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planning on getting one? What colour? I'm interested in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing people's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoughts on the Sergio green - I do feel much of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appeal of the Atlantis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that gorgeous blue. 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