I got a 56 green ram as my first Ram when my Tanguy frame broke after only 27 years of commuting touring racing etc. The Tanguy had 27 inch wheels and was a 54. Fit perfect. then I got the 56 ram because it was the only thing on the market that was close. it worked but was 2 cm too big.
I am also 5'6" or maybe a little less and my PBH is 79. My blue 54 Ram is perfect in every way except I bet 650b wheels would be very interesting to try. tall stem with a short neck since I have very short arms. my brother is a couple of inches taller and has the same leg length. He rides a 54 orange Ram. . we have an awful lot of agreement on this thread. Bo Bellingham BTW the geometry of the Tanguy was virtually Identical to the 54 Rambouillet except 2 cm shorter chain stays. there was very little time or effort involved in getting accustomed to the blue Ram. On Friday, April 11, 2025 at 2:45:09 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote: > no worries joe...you're a good guy > > On Friday, April 11, 2025 at 4:41:29 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote: > >> Ryan, you made the point succinctly. I missed it while replyong to a >> thread whilst too tired to do so 🤦♂️ >> >> On Friday, April 11, 2025 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote: >> >>> Which was the point I was trying and evidently failing to make >>> >>> On Thursday, April 10, 2025 at 10:03:35 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote: >>> >>>> "We're not all the same proportionately to our height and I don't >>>> understand why Riv keeps referring customers to ever higher frames based >>>> entirely on their total height, ignoring their bodily proportions." >>>> >>>> Riv recommends frame sizes to people based on PBH, not total height. >>>> >>>> Joe Bernard >>>> >>>> On Thursday, April 10, 2025 at 12:34:31 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would advise a word of caution here. I'm 5' 9" (well, I used to be >>>>> - I've lost an inch as I've aged) and I ride a 54cm Ram. I also have an >>>>> old rebuilt Fuji from the early 70's in "21 inch" size. Both work well >>>>> for >>>>> me in stand-over height. BUT (and it's a big but), early-on in the "bike >>>>> boom" 70's several bike shop owners talked me into a bike with a 23" >>>>> frame >>>>> (metric sizes were not popular back then) and all of them were miserable. >>>>> I >>>>> had to buy a much shorter stem for the bars and I couldn't stand over the >>>>> top tube without being tippy-toed, something that could've been hazardous >>>>> in certain situations. All of the bike shop owners who sold me those >>>>> bikes >>>>> advised that I'd need the next larger size frame, therefore the 23", in >>>>> order to "stretch-out" more. Nothing could've been further from the >>>>> truth. >>>>> >>>>> Worse yet, over the years Grant & Co. seem to have advised >>>>> accordingly. But the big, big, BIG thing they're ignoring, overlooking, >>>>> whatever are *individual differences!*! Yes, I'm (was) 5'9", but my >>>>> legs are disproportionately shorter than my torso, therefore standing >>>>> over >>>>> a 54cm frame is much, much better than just a reference to my total >>>>> height! We're not all the same proportionately to our height and I don't >>>>> understand why Riv keeps referring customers to ever higher frames based >>>>> entirely on their total height, ignoring their bodily proportions. >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, April 10, 2025 at 2:12:24 PM UTC-5 [email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hmm ok. Seems like the 50 would be too small for me then >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, April 10, 2025 at 3:04:02 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm similar height to you both, rode a 54 Ram and 55 Romulus >>>>>>> comfortably with dropbars. If you want Albas or similar you're going to >>>>>>> need a 56 but your standover will be nil and the seat will be slammed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, April 10, 2025 at 11:21:31 AM UTC-7 [email protected] >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks that’s helpful! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 10, 2025, at 1:41 PM, Toshi Takeuchi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am 79.5 PBH and I rode the 54 Ram. I think the 56 would be too >>>>>>>> big for you. 50 seems small, but a 52 would likely work but had 26" >>>>>>>> wheels? >>>>>>>> I think the best Ram is a 650b (700c converted) Ram. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Toshi in Oakland >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 10:09 AM Maeve Gately <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey everybody, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've been searching for a Homer or similar, in the 51 range (5' >>>>>>>>> 6", PBH about 80) and came across a 50 Rambouillet. I can't tell >>>>>>>>> from the >>>>>>>>> size charts online if it would be around my size, or if they were >>>>>>>>> made much >>>>>>>>> smaller than the current Riv models (one size chart I found makes it >>>>>>>>> seem >>>>>>>>> like I'm a 56 in the Ram). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anyone have any guidance here? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6411a8bc-4660-4243-9520-0d50d118c019n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6411a8bc-4660-4243-9520-0d50d118c019n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>>>> the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/yFazhe03ao4/unsubscribe >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To view this discussion visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAGB59xzUe0%2BBPpif75LZxLgbgjWrkO7__Z5b9K8mBCeWT6BouA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAGB59xzUe0%2BBPpif75LZxLgbgjWrkO7__Z5b9K8mBCeWT6BouA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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