Agreed. And nowadays it seems like at least half the walkers/runners/cyclists have earbuds connected either directly or via Bluetooth some device. There's no guarantee that can hear any kind of warning from a passing cyclist.
On Monday, July 14, 2025 at 11:47:35 AM UTC-5 mvie...@gmail.com wrote: > When I pass others, it's a great mystery if they will ride in a straight > line when I call "on your left", or if they will look over their should at > me and steer right in front of me. > If I'm with a group, I won't be the one to find out which way the slower > rider will go! > > cheers. > > > On Monday, July 14, 2025 at 9:06:04 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote: > >> JIm's words: *"But be polite and don't think you have some moral high >> ground based on your choices." *are poignant. >> >> The average ability of individuals to cipher a standard of politeness in >> an ad hoc public situation fell precipitously during the pandemic. Those >> with less experience or learned ability demonstrate outlier behavior and >> elevate risks in shared space and they are over represented in some >> generalized ways mentioned here. >> >> I've called it a bilateral thumb disease: >> [image: Screenshot 2025-07-14 at 8.43.04 AM.png] >> "It's all about me" >> >> They existed before the pandemic and away from bicycles or MUPs. As I >> stood by my friend's widow in the receiving line of his funeral ten years >> ago I was made stunningly aware of this personality defect by the number >> of folks who said to her essentially "you can't imagine how this makes me >> feel". >> >> The pandemic refined the public sentiment of "me" with unintentional >> things trying to retain normalcy like seeing the doctor without going to >> offices filled with "them" or getting groceries without being amongst >> "them". These patronages to "me" have bled into many public activities in a >> negative way, by individuals and groups. Bicycling groups included. >> >> Outward projections by any individuals or groups can be offensive, >> requiring discipline to resist response before your initial thoughts, words >> or actions get a warm up lap through your frontal lodes inhibiting >> adrenaline-fueled brainstem impulses. grant mentioned this decades ago >> (in an ugly day-glo era) in a Bridgestone catalog article regarding your >> clothing choices when biking in the woods, being considerate of others >> instead of shouty and loud before even interacting. >> >> Andy Cheatham >> Pittsburgh >> >> >> >> >> On Sunday, July 13, 2025 at 1:28:57 PM UTC-4 Jim M. wrote: >> >>> Rudeness is not reserved to racer wannabes. Most of the fast groups I've >>> experienced give a warning -- it's not just polite it's a matter of safe >>> riding. I've also seen cotton-clad, steel bike-riding groups out for S24Os >>> (Riv-inspired if not Riv-riding) give no warning as they pass hikers on the >>> trails around Walnut Creek. >>> >>> Just ride, on steel, carbon, bamboo, or whatever, in cotton, lycra, or >>> body paint. But be polite and don't think you have some moral high ground >>> based on your choices. >>> >>> jim m >>> walnut creek >>> >>> On Sunday, July 13, 2025 at 8:28:28 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote: >>> >>>> Hard not to notice. >>>> >>>> And they're all dressed up like the peloton with those tall white >>>> socks, white shoes, lots of Rapha...as if we'd dress up in Yankees >>>> uniforms >>>> to have a game of catch at the local baseball field. >>>> >>>> On their disposable plastic bikes, of course. All but one of my bikes >>>> older than many of them are. Maybe a few will still be riding like us as >>>> the days fly by. >>>> >>>> JD >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jul 13, 2025 at 7:43 AM Jay LePree <jayml...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> All: >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure if I am just getting older, and perhaps more inclined to >>>>> think about safety, but I have noticed this trend an wanted to compare >>>>> notes. Specifically, on weekend rides, I am much more fearful of the >>>>> peloton than any cars. Over the last two months, at least once a weekend >>>>> I >>>>> am passed, very closely, but a group of riders moving at high speeds, >>>>> double and triple abreast with very little room for error between them >>>>> and >>>>> myself. The majority of the time, no alert is given either. >>>>> Fortunately, >>>>> I use a rearview mirror on my glasses, so I can see them coming, although >>>>> at least twice I was surprised at how fast the group came upon me. >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone else experienced this? >>>>> >>>>> Jay LePree >>>>> Demarest, NJ >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/61062dd8-8559-4b00-8ccd-21b409094768n%40googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/61062dd8-8559-4b00-8ccd-21b409094768n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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