One more comment about rinko-ing on rivs-- it will only get harder to travel with new rivs as the chainstays become longer and longer... I also think installing couplers on newer rivs will not make sense, as the two halves may not even fit into a traveling case. Nevertheless, I would love to hear from someone with a newer riv (especially the ones with long chainstays) who have tried rinko-ing! -IY
On Friday, October 17, 2025 at 5:01:58 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote: > I've modified at least two rear derailleurs for Rinko, and give a decent > amount of thought to which of the contemporary models will lend themselves > to Rinko without modification. The rear spacer/stand offers a good > solution to "normal" rear derailleurs, but I like geeking out on that > little detail to make my Rinko setup not require that stand off product. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > On Thursday, October 16, 2025 at 1:33:35 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote: > >> I was just over on the iBOB Group joining in on a thread about >> Centerpulls. In the process of that, I reminded myself another design >> aspect of my Ram for making rinko as easy as possible: the use of the Paul >> Moon Unit brake straddle cable hanger. One can easily unhook the centerpull >> straddle cable as normal and then unhook the straddle cable from the Moon >> Unit to allow full disassembly. I guess most cable straddle hangers allow >> this, but I know some that do not. The Rene Herse cable straddle hanger for >> instance will not allow this (Shovel Research's very nice hanger also does >> not). RH does make a rinko-specific Centerpull brake to work with their >> hanger, so maybe if you are setting up a New Rinko and need centerpulls you >> could get those, but if you're using existing ones or cantilevers be >> mindful of the hanger design. >> >> Takashi, I'm curious of your experience with V-brakes and rinko? I'd >> think they'd be more of a hassle like sidepulls, in that you'd need to >> somehow completely disengage the brake cable? >> >> On Thursday, October 16, 2025 at 12:39:35 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote: >> >>> Ah man, the intersecting Venn diagram of Rinko and Rivs! My favorite! >>> Thanks for having this thread Takashi! Very useful info here. >>> >>> I've rinko'ed my Rambouillet for air travel. I use the Rene Herse >>> padded rinko bag >>> <https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/equipment/bags/rene-herse-airplane-rinko-bag/> >>> >>> for this. I imagine it would not be super useful for more traditional rinko >>> applications, because the bag does not pack down much and is difficult to >>> carry on the bike. But if you have a place to store it, it works great. My >>> Ram is pretty large (64 cm) and I have very wide drops (56 cm), but it all >>> fits in the RH bag. The photo below is from my trip a few years back to the >>> Nutmeg Nor-easter with the Ram in process of being disassembled and packed >>> up. I caught New England stick in my RD and exploded it, which is why their >>> is no chain on the bike for the return trip. I since have also got Sim >>> Works Bubbly EZy-Superior pedals on the Ram, to make the next trip that >>> much EZ'er :) I doubt I can get to 18 mins for assembly/disassembly, but I >>> was surprised how quickly it can be done. Maybe 20-25 mins? I also use >>> the Ostrich Rinko Dropout Stand. And I also have some RH branded frame >>> protectors, just not a photo showing them. I have a sleeve of bubble wrap I >>> put over the steerer cause I was worried it would scratch the HT. I carry 2 >>> adjustable wrenches for the headset, which again, I don't think is ideal >>> for more traditional rinko where you probably need to carry them with you. >>> I also bring Wera Metric Tool-Check >>> <https://products.wera.de/en/new_products_2025_tool-check_modular_tool-check_plus_tool-check_tool-check_plus_tool-check.html> >>> (regular, >>> not the bike specific one). It's also probably over kill bit nice to have. >>> I do have a older cup-an'-cone headset and dream of buying a fancy RH rinko >>> specific HS, but haven't. The ball bearings are caged at least, I can not >>> imagine dealing with the hassle of loose BB's! It is a bit messier than >>> then a cartridge headset though. I've used both Voile and Johnny straps, >>> but prefer the Voile ones (I also have a lot of Voile straps from my >>> cross-domain sport of BC Ski Touring; The purpose they were originally >>> designed for!) Both times I traveled I took my Ron's Bike Small Chest >>> <https://ronsbikes.com/products/small-fabios-chest-coming-in-march?variant=51979390320915> >>> with >>> me. I modified a Berthoud Decaleur to hold the bag up and away from the >>> front brake cable and light. It's low profile enough I can leave it on the >>> stem during packing. >>> >>> [image: PXL_20211024_202227975.MP~2.jpg] >>> [image: PXL_20211022_132757716.jpg] >>> >>> On Thursday, October 16, 2025 at 10:59:25 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>> >>>> Josh >>>> >>>> Do you remove BOTH or just one? Seems like removing just one might >>>> still do the job :) >>>> >>>> BL in EC >>>> >>>> On Thursday, October 16, 2025 at 10:49:03 AM UTC-7 J Brown wrote: >>>> >>>>> Another hidden benefit of the Ezy system is for security purposes. >>>>> Removing the pedals at a quick stop will prevent the bike from being >>>>> ridden >>>>> away on. >>>>> >>>>> I typically do not bring a lock with me when I'm on brevets, likewise >>>>> on any ride in Asia. >>>>> >>>>> If something gets my Spidey senses flaring I'll remove the pedals >>>>> before I enter the control or convenience store. >>>>> >>>>> Knock on wood this has worked for me... >>>>> >>>>> Josh NYC >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2025, 12:47 PM Joe Bunik <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Bill, all >>>>>> >>>>>> I too have praise for the MKS Ezy-Superior pedals. I now have two >>>>>> pairs, plus one additional set of "adaptors only" - I can rotate the >>>>>> desired pair as I choose. >>>>>> >>>>>> Two hidden benefits of the system: >>>>>> - For hike-a-bike: detach the pedal and eliminate undesirable >>>>>> ankle/shin interactions. This has been a huge pay off more than once! >>>>>> >>>>>> - For travel: sans pedals (and, removing front wheel/rotating the >>>>>> fork 90°), the bicycle-unit can be "flat packed" much more easily into >>>>>> the >>>>>> back of station wagon (read: Subaru). Braced/spaced appropriately, I've >>>>>> been easily able to bring along a PAIR of bikes, plus camp gear to >>>>>> remote >>>>>> locations. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's so EZY, >>>>>> Joe Bunik >>>>>> Walnut Creek, CA >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2025 at 8:11 AM Bill Lindsay <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I just invested in two sets of Ezy-Superior pedals, and I'm starting >>>>>>> to experiment with them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good write up! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BL in EC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 14, 2025 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-7 Takashi wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In another thread I was asked about rinko, so I thought I'd start a >>>>>>>> new thread about it. >>>>>>>> Here is a picture of my Homer in rinko state: >>>>>>>> [image: rinko_homer.jpg] >>>>>>>> (In the plastic bag are brake cables, headset nuts and spacers, and >>>>>>>> pedals) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And my Hunqapillar (taken several years ago but basically same now) >>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>> [image: hunq_rinko.jpg] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I always pack my bike as small as possible when rinko'ing, removing >>>>>>>> fork and rear wheel from frame, but to be honest, I'm a minority. Most >>>>>>>> people just remove wheel(s) from frame and that's it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd suggest that you pack your bike as small as possible, >>>>>>>> especially if you are not familiar with trains in Japan, for several >>>>>>>> reasons: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (1) Most railway companies do not allow bikes with only one wheel >>>>>>>> removed. To be accurate, sum of three sides must be smaller than >>>>>>>> 250cm, and >>>>>>>> bike with one wheel removed exceeds this size. (Although, in most >>>>>>>> cases, >>>>>>>> station/train staffs just let you get on the train) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (2) Trains in Japan is often very crowded, and you might have a >>>>>>>> hard time getting on, especially when carrying a big baggage. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (3) Even long-distance trains have poor baggage space if any. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (4) Compactly packed baggage is easier to carry than big baggage, >>>>>>>> if both are of same weight. Big stations such as Shinjuku, Shibuya, or >>>>>>>> Umeda, are like mazes and are often referred to as "dungeons". You >>>>>>>> won't >>>>>>>> want to wander such places with big baggage on your shoulder. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As for bikes and tools... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Brakes : Cantilever, V, or Centerpull. You can pack a bike with >>>>>>>> sidepull brakes, but there's more hassle. >>>>>>>> Headset : Rinko specific headset is ideal I guess, although I've >>>>>>>> never used one. My bikes have ordinary cartridge-bearing headsets. >>>>>>>> Cup-and-cone headsets, needless to say, add hassle. >>>>>>>> Handlebars : Simple straight bars or not-so-wide drops are easier >>>>>>>> to pack. Boscos are very difficult to pack. >>>>>>>> Pedals : Quick-release pedals, such as MKS's Ezy-Superior pedals >>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/emYLx5PcFsI?si=EPjku-ofKbyTELN5>, are >>>>>>>> recommended. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tools and accesories : >>>>>>>> Apart from tools which you regularly carry, you would need 32mm >>>>>>>> headset wrench(es). I used to carry two, but after I swapped front >>>>>>>> brake >>>>>>>> cable hanger to Rene Herse's, I noticed that I need only one. (Rene >>>>>>>> Herse's >>>>>>>> hanger fits very tightly, preventing lower nut from rotating) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Frame pads to protect paint (you can use towel or rag instead). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rear-end protector (pictured in 02 here >>>>>>>> <https://ostrich-az.com/howto/rimbrake/>) >>>>>>>> May or may not be necessary depending on your rear derailleur and >>>>>>>> your rear rack. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are some more to add, but that's it for now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Takashi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To view this discussion visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/75544e64-aece-40be-9a43-9d0c8598d38bn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/75544e64-aece-40be-9a43-9d0c8598d38bn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> >>>>> To view this discussion visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CADqphP33hJ-qXORFbrkr_c32YLM1ZheAxQpeuaaj2FgsEuj53g%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CADqphP33hJ-qXORFbrkr_c32YLM1ZheAxQpeuaaj2FgsEuj53g%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> Josh >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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