Well, Joe...you seem to have made peace with your decision so we probably shouldn't be second-guessing you. That is certainly more than a fair price, especially since Riv customs are,alas, no more.
So I hope it goes to a good home and good luck with the sale. On Monday, October 27, 2025 at 10:21:38 PM UTC-5 Ben Miller wrote: > I should probably add that I was trying to calculate the stack and reach > for Joe and his bike, but then realized more info is required. > > I'll reiterate Max's sentiment that I hope Joe reconsiders, but also fully > respect his wishes. > > On Monday, October 27, 2025 at 8:07:51 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote: > >> Matt, the diagram doesn't even have enough info to calculate stack and >> reach. It is missing the HT measurement (c-t to top would do it) >> >> But I can tell you the reach is *less than* 458 mm and the stack is *more >> than* 514 mm. That give and absurdly low stack to height ratio of 1.12, >> so it's definitely pretty far off. >> >> On Monday, October 27, 2025 at 7:29:35 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote: >> >>> I don't know stack and reach, the seattube is 54.2, effective toptube >>> 63. Those numbers are always just a guideline when buying a frame, they >>> give you a general idea of how much post will show and what range of bars >>> you can use. If a prospective buyer emails me I'll dig into whatever >>> details they need. >>> >>> On Monday, October 27, 2025 at 5:07:27 PM UTC-7 matt miller wrote: >>> >>>> Such a cool bike. I'm not in the market for this, but I am unable to >>>> read the specs- it's too blurry. And due to the custom build, I'm also >>>> wondering what size this actually is. Surely more than a normal 54, and >>>> with those bars, certainly less than a normal 63. I don't suppose you have >>>> stack and reach or the saddle height and distance from saddle to bars? >>>> That >>>> may help interested parties. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Matt in STL >>>> >>>> On Monday, October 27, 2025 at 6:54:08 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote: >>>> >>>>> Max, >>>>> >>>>> I won't regret it. The life it was destined for is not one I ended up >>>>> living, so much changed for me since I brought it home in 2020. I shall >>>>> be >>>>> happy with my short rides on my Clem and let somebody who is more >>>>> committed >>>>> to miles ride this custom. It's an amazing bike and should be ridden far >>>>> and often. >>>>> >>>>> PS. I forgot to put "FS" in the thread title. Doh! 🤦♂️ >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, October 27, 2025 at 10:27:46 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Joe, I think this should be marketed as the >>>>>> proto-American Generalissimo Especialle. Painted by Joe Bell and built >>>>>> for >>>>>> a heavier rider - beautiful in all it's might! >>>>>> >>>>>> Best of luck with the sale. >>>>>> >>>>>> Max >>>>>> >>>>>> PS. I hope you don't regret selling it and unless you really need to, >>>>>> I hope you don't! Getting a Riv custom is expensive and it takes a very >>>>>> long time.... yours is a truly special one that I know you worked with >>>>>> Grant to make it just perfect. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, October 26, 2025 at 7:52:30 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Time to move this on, my rides are short and often require locking >>>>>>> up outside these days, my Clem handles this best for me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wasn't very familiar with the term when I had this frame >>>>>>> commissioned in 2019 but it's a gravel bike. I asked for a >>>>>>> mostly-pavement >>>>>>> bike that could handle light trail duty, I've done a few fire roads and >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> worked great. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Geometry in photos, frame designed to carry a 200 lbs. rider plus >>>>>>> about 20 lbs. of gear. I've exceeded that limit on shopping runs no >>>>>>> problem, I think Grant took my numbers with a grain of salt and built >>>>>>> it a >>>>>>> little tougher than requested. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 54.2 x 63, designed for my 80-ish PBH with lots of room for Bosco >>>>>>> Bars, I think a notably taller rider could fit it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark Nobilette construction, fancy Joe Bell paint in dove grey with >>>>>>> red panels. Joe isn't taking orders anymore, I think he's pretty much >>>>>>> retired. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> FSA Duron headset >>>>>>> Face Plater fillet 11cm stem >>>>>>> Bosco steel 54cm >>>>>>> Nitto S65 post >>>>>>> SunRace levers >>>>>>> V-brakes will be grey Deore, gotta pull them from my Clem >>>>>>> 7-speed 11-36 Jim cassette, new >>>>>>> Claris rd, new >>>>>>> New chain >>>>>>> 7-speed S-Sride clicky shifter, cheap, works >>>>>>> NOS Suntour "microdrive" fd >>>>>>> Silver2 front shifter >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sugino cranks shown not included, I'll swap in a brand new Clipper >>>>>>> 26-36-48, 170 arms >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rich-built wheels, WI hubs to 650b Velocity Atlas rims >>>>>>> CST 48mm gravel tires, hardly ridden >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No saddle, pedals, rack. >>>>>>> Shifters are swapped to accommodate my arthritis, will put them >>>>>>> right/normal before packing. >>>>>>> Will add details pics to album soon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3dqGjYuqLr6VDBME9 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> $4000obo + shipping CONUS, >>>>>>> can do a better deal with delivery in San Francisco Bay Area >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joe Bernard >>>>>>> Clearlake CA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: Screenshot_20251026_165205.jpg] >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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