And don't forget that they nixed the double top tube, too. On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 11:17:15 AM UTC-5 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
> The current generation (not the presale gen) has longer chainstays than > previous years too. > > On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 10:58:52 AM UTC-4 [email protected] > wrote: > >> Davey, in his recent email newsletter Will summarized the changes as "... >> only slight ... from the last run. They have those newer hooded dropouts, >> they take a 27.2mm seatpost, and the forks now have our RC-04 crown, which >> is slightly wider than the older ones." Geometry is evidently unchanged. >> >> I'm a bit surprised at the lack of buzz over next week's presale. Knowing >> that the Sam has been around since 2009 without any major evolutionary >> changes (apart from side pull to canti brakes) I'm left to wonder if it's >> lost its luster. The only older models still in production - Atlantis and >> Homer - have both seen more dramatic changes. >> >> I'm hoping to discover that the Sam proves to be a capable all rounder >> for the type of riding I enjoy and could even serve as "the one" should I >> ever need to scale back to N+0. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 9:44:41 AM UTC-4 Davey Two Shoes wrote: >> >>> I'm having trouble understanding what they've changed about this >>> iteration of the Sam vs the previous. Aside from the wider fork and color, >>> anything? >>> >>> On Tuesday, October 28, 2025 at 4:00:50 PM UTC-4 [email protected] >>> wrote: >>> >>>> 8 days now till the Hillborne presale. >>>> >>>> Is anyone else considering the addition of a Sam to their family? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, October 25, 2025 at 2:52:40 PM UTC-4 Steve wrote: >>>> >>>>> George - agreed, both colors are great and I'll settle for the Mustard >>>>> if need be. >>>>> According to RBW's geo chart only the 48 and 51s take 650b wheels - >>>>> all of the larger sizes use 700c. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, October 25, 2025 at 1:05:04 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It has me salivating, but my retiree budget can't afford another >>>>>> one. This redesigned Hillborne has some really nice improvments - kinda >>>>>> between an Atlantis and a Waterford Adventure Cycle. Both colors are >>>>>> great. I wonder if there is a breakpoint whereby the smaller frames are >>>>>> spec'd for 650B and the larger ones for 700C. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, October 25, 2025 at 11:44:18 AM UTC-5 [email protected] >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm hoping to make a Sage green 51cm Samuel Hillborne my second >>>>>>> Rivendell. Curious who else might be considering one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve in AVL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7586b2b4-7a10-4d20-8d68-609d45f7e4b1n%40googlegroups.com.
