Lot's of good info here!  I don't want to go N+1 but I have a couple of 
ideas in mind.  Will post under separate thread.

On Monday, November 10, 2025 at 6:10:08 PM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote:

> I’m fortunate to have multiple bikes. One has the sole purpose of ice/snow 
> commuting. Studded tires, fenders, and a low fixed gear (43/21).
> It stays that way all year long, so that all I have to do is oil the 
> chain, inflate the tires, and make sure the front brake is working.
> I wear thermal under my clothes, a big ole jacket, a ski mask type of 
> toboggan (Carhartt) some merino lined Geier deerskin gloves, and some 
> rain/mud boots when the snow is heavy(which here isn’t often, but I use 
> them in rain as well). I also put some plastic bags over my feet before I 
> put on my socks. Keeps the toes from freezing!
> Mike
>
> On Nov 10, 2025, at 1:04 PM, Patrick Moore <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Our climate changes from hot and dry to cold and dry, so even an 18*F 
> morning start won’t be as painful as in a high-humidity climate. And at 5K+ 
> feet, we have huge and quickly changing differences between early morning 
> lows and late afternoon highs — 30* is common, I’ve seen over 40*, and 
> temps warm up very quickly as the sun rises — so you have to be prepared to 
> jettison and carry outer layer tops and gloves as morning temps quickly 
> rise — even my gofast bikes have seat bags big enough to carry rolled up 
> gloves and outer garments.
>
> It’s about the start of November, here in river-level North Valley ABQ, NM 
> (av el 5075 feet per random website), when morning temps start dropping to 
> 40* and lower, that I start pulling out the winter hats, first the PI and 
> Walz, and then as morning temps drop toward freezing, the Raphas with 
> better ear coverage. I have OR thin fleece skull caps to wear under those 
> other caps when temps get toward my low-temp limit, about 20*F +/- 2 
> degrees depending on wind, sun, and humidity. I do have a balaclava but 
> don’t like having to continually adjust the fit over my mouth.
>
> Shoes: I have toe covers for my Shimano mesh-front SPDs, but I also have a 
> couple of other pairs of SPD shoes made without mesh; all are roomy enough 
> for a thin liner under a thicker merino sock and, for temps below say 25*F 
> or for longer rides much below 32*F I have a pair of Lake SPD boots that, 
> unfortunately, are a pain to put on; but they are warm.
>
> Fingers are the biggest problem, and I’ve evolved a layer system, starting 
> with the wonderful and apparently indestructible DeFeet knit wool gloves at 
> about 40* and down to mid 30s, depending on sun and wind and length of 
> ride, and then a lovely pair of soft lined leather gloves, Bundeswehr 
> surplus courtesy of Verusteleka; these I buy 2 sizes large, both to keep ~1 
> cm air gaps between end of gloves and beginning of my fingers, and also to 
> accommodate silk liners or/and the DeFeets. With both, down to low 20s. For 
> ultimate cold, which I’ve not yet experienced, I do have a very nice pair 
> of fleece-lined leather mittens into which fit a pair of thick ragg wool 
> mittens.
>
> I do have PI lobsters, but those are good only down to about freezing; 
> their big benefit is that they are warm down to say 30* without having to 
> hassle with putting on multiple layers.
>
> Tops: Wool jerseys, ss +/- arm warmers and neck gaiters, then ls wool, 
> then ls with neck gaiters or scarfs, the Ibex wool vest, then full-zip 
> heavier ls wool over jersey, then an even heavier wool full zip, all 
> intermixed with layers of different weights of gilets and shells, finally 
> with a nice very lightly lined Leatt shell to which I had pit zipps added.
>
> Bikes: My bikes remain the same, only I choose one of the 2 with fenders 
> (IGH custom Riv Road clone or road bike for dirt) for messy weather.
>
> The big hassle with winter riding is all the layers that you have to put 
> on and take off; and here again, hands are the big problem, since to check 
> your phone or find your keys or blow your nose you have to remove one or 
> more glove layers.
>
>
> *BTW, ISO/WTB/WTT* black or gray or burgundy (preferred) or “black with 
> flag” Carradice Barley, for the Roadeo — the Carradice Zip Roll is very 
> good for summer but I had a hard time cramming a wadded wind shell, rolled 
> up leather gloves, and a small pouch of personal stuff into it on top of 
> the rather (by necessity) bulky repair kit. Still, the Zip Roll is a 
> keeper, for sure.
>
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 10:35 AM Jason Fuller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> … A few weeks ago I pulled down the bin of gloves and caps and dug out 
>> several pairs of gloves of varying thicknesses. My go-to combo is thin 
>> merino liners underneath buckskin gloves. I find this works well to a 
>> little below freezing, which covers 90% of my needs.  I also pull out the 
>> thick wool socks which I wear under my 2-layer Blundstones. 
>>
>> For bikes, it's just tire swaps and I switch from dry to wet lube.  
>>
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