The biggest problem with carbon wheels with rim brakes is that the brake 
tracks require that you use special pads and they're not that effective. 
There's a pair by superteam that has an aluminum brake track but that pair 
isn't very light (1600g). Back when Jon Neugent was building wheels you 
could get a pair of alloy wheels for 1400g using his Two 2x system since he 
died earlier this year you can no longer buy those.

On Thursday, December 4, 2025 at 11:36:47 PM UTC-8 Eddie Flayer wrote:

> Due to this being a traditionally-oriented forum does it preclude the 
> thought of carbon? You can get hecka lot of lightness from this carbon 
> wheelset built to your specs in either rim or disc brake format approx 1200 
> grams per set: 
> https://btlos.com/all-road/all-road-34mm-depth-31mm-external-width-clincher-disc-carbon-wheelset
>
> On Thursday, December 4, 2025 at 8:38:38 AM UTC-8 David Hays wrote:
>
>> I’ve had them build me some Pacenti Brevet 650B wheels with Bidex and 
>> White Industries hubs. Very pleased with light quality builds.
>> Good customer support.
>>
>> David Hays
>> Buffalo, New York 
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2025, at 11:31 AM, Garth <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> There is also the option to have prowheelbuilder.com build you a high 
>> fallutin' wheelset with WI or King hubs and use their still Black Friday 
>> 20% off code link shown on the top banner, until 12/08. They have a large 
>> slection of rims, spokes, nipples. 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 4, 2025 at 1:22:14 AM UTC-5 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> I built a set of lightweight wheels for my Monstercross. Bike gone, 
>>> wheels still around. Black Forza rims, Bitex hubs, 14-17-17 spokes front 
>>> and NDS rear, 14-15-15 DS rear, brass nipples. Lighter than Aerohead/Dura 
>>> Ace 7700 wheels. In reserve now, and currently shod with Challenge tires to 
>>> stretch out (hope). Under 1500 grams for the pair, without a cassette. 
>>> Forza rim metal seems softer than Velocity rims. 
>>>
>>> Mike SLO CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 1, 2025 at 2:43:26 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I found a free Mavic wheel I'd obviously inspect it and if I took it 
>>>> home and found a frozen nipple was all that was wrong with it, I'd simply 
>>>> do a web search on how to remove a stuck Mavic M7 splined nipple. While 
>>>> the 
>>>> nipples are there own design, spoke tools are easily found by various 
>>>> manufacturers including Park. The Rogue Mechanic is the largest retailer 
>>>> of 
>>>> Mavic parts in the USA and they have everything that goes into a Mavic 
>>>> wheel, and Mavic actually sells parts for both new and older designs. I 
>>>> can't say that about Shimano or Phil Wood, for example, two brands I'm 
>>>> familiar with. Mavic nipples are part of the complete wheel design, rim, 
>>>> spokes, hub, everything. So to one who's used to traditional designs picks 
>>>> one up they may look down on it because it's different and don't bother to 
>>>> investigate the why and how of it. It's not for everyone but you can't 
>>>> criticize the engineering of them. Not unlike Riv and the OM-1, I get the 
>>>> design and why, so even though it's not for me, I can't criticize it. 
>>>>
>>>> Here's some Rogue Mechanic videos on the tech of Mavic wheels and 
>>>> servicing them including a very clear and well presented video on removing 
>>>> stuck nipples. Even a worst case scenario one that the nipple must be 
>>>> drilled out and literally taken out in pieces. What also appeals to me 
>>>> about Mavic wheels is they are relatively easy to service compared to many 
>>>> other cassette designs I've seen detailed videos of on how to completely 
>>>> dismantle a given hub.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/@RogueMechanic/search?query=rim%20
>>>>
>>>> On a new wheels such as the Ksyrium I'd likely drip some Tri-Flow on 
>>>> the spoke ends and let it seep into the threads. 
>>>>
>>>> While the newer higher end wheels use the Instant Drive 360 40 tooth 
>>>> ratchet in the freehub, their 2 pawl design is perfectly good. Quality of 
>>>> the material and design is more important that a mere number. Sachs 
>>>> freewheels I have are 2 pawl and they are very durable.  I often read 
>>>> comments of riders looking to replace things without even bothering to 
>>>> service what they have. Gunked up lube is common. 
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/@RogueMechanic/search?query=rim%20
>>>>
>>>> *I'm curious to know what wheels Conway purchases though ! *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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