I have had a few occasions of poor brake set-up in general, but I have never 
had poor brake performance when using the Shimano Tiagra levers that Rivendell 
sells. And this has been Tiagra levers with cantilevers and with longreach 
sidepulls, one of each of these set-ups currently in action now. ("In action" 
being figurative. I'm not riding as I type this.)

However, I did once try to set up my Atlantis with cantis and an older set of 
Shimano 600 aero brake levers. I couldn't get it working well and gave up. In 
fact, I think I responded by buying a pair of Tiagras.

-Jim W.

-----Original Message-----
>From: MichaelH <[email protected]>
: Super-spongy brakes on my AHH - any help?
>I have come to the
>conclusion that Shimano levers simply don't draw enough cable to work
>reliably with anything other than short reach shimano brakes.
>
>Michael
>
>
>
>On Sep 13, 5:27 pm, James Warren <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Mark at Rivendell built up my AHH with the Silvers and the Shimano Tiagra 
>> levers that they sell, and the performance is excellent.
>>
>> -Jim W.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Adam Kimball <[email protected]>
>> >Sent: Sep 13, 2010 2:21 PM
>> >To: RBW Owners Bunch <[email protected]>
>> >Subject: [RBW] Super-spongy brakes on my AHH - any help?
>>
>> >Wow, I'm not having much luck in the brake department with my new
>> >ride.  I set up my Hilsen with Silver brakes and found that they
>> >simply wouldn't stop me - I could have both levers to the tape and
>> >still roll.  So, I changed to Paul Racer's on the advice of my LBS and
>> >found that the situation really isn't much better.  Here is where my
>> >thinking is at:
>>
>> >* I'm seeing a lot of flex in the brakes themselves and at the cable
>> >hangers.  The rear brake is worse than the front (as is usually the
>> >case) but I suspect the inline barrel adjuster and the rear cable
>> >hanger (light-weight aluminum one that hangs of the seat-post bolt) is
>> >flexing too much.
>>
>> >* I've brought the yokes up pretty high - I can get them higher, but
>> >not much.  So, I'm not certain this is the problem.
>>
>> >* Brake-pads are the standard black Kool-Stops and I would have to
>> >assume they are not the problem
>>
>> >* My Dura-Ace brake levers are incredibly squishy.  This is one piece
>> >of the equation that is common to both setups (Silvers & Racers).  The
>> >Racer brakes are indeed short-pull so those road levers should be fine
>> >- but I've suspected them before.
>>
>> >Another mechanic took a look at the brakes and road the bike today.
>> >He agreed that the brakes are massively under performing.  He thought
>> >that a "travel agent" might help to pull more cable.  He also wanted
>> >to re-cable since I cut the rear cable a little short.  He wanted me
>> >to find out if Paul makes a stiffener that attaches to the calipers.
>>
>> >Does anyone have any other ideas for me?  I don't have another AHH to
>> >ride, so it is hard for me to know just how bad my brakes are.  Keven
>> >at Rivendell didn't think the Racer's are much better than the Silvers
>> >for braking (and he has a pair on his Hilsen) and so he wondered what
>> >the other problem might be.
>>
>> >Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> >Thanks,
>> >Adam
>>
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