Thank goodness! I was getting an itchy trigger finger. Both bikes were tempting!
Joe Bartoe Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc. www.synapticcycles.com 949-374-6079 > Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:28:03 -0800 > Subject: [RBW] Re: FS: Rawland Sogn, Bike Friday FT: Tikit, Nitto stem > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Rawland and Tikit are sold to happy homes. > > I'd still love to trade stems: new 9cm 25.4 Technomic Standard for a > used 8cm Technomic Delux 26.0... or something like that. > > Esteban > San Diego, Calif. > > On Dec 16, 12:21 pm, Ray Shine <[email protected]> wrote: > > OK. Thank you. I see your point. Still, it's a good bike, just not for > > future resale. > > > > Sent From My iPhone > > > > On Dec 16, 2010, at 9:45 AM, rperks <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > While I as well as others were able to do well with the sub $400 > > > blemish bikes it cast a hue over the early sogn line, and will keep > > > the prices low for these in the future. This is unfortunate, but > > > pricing has an impact on perception. While these are very good bikes > > > for the money, and IMO better than the second round of offerings due > > > to the vertical dropouts, But the marketing of each model as a one > > > time run without continuation, combined with blowout pricing dents the > > > long term customer impression. Example, if you loved your Rivendell > > > Road and lost it to a wreck, you can pick up a Ramb, Hilsen, Roadeo or > > > Custom and be assured that you will be in the ballpark of ride and > > > customer experience. If you go to the store and pick out a Trek and > > > split it at the BB 10 years later they will give you a new frame. But > > > with the Rawland the impression is such that each round is it, and if > > > I were to loose my dSogn in a wrek it would have to be replaced with > > > something completely different or custom. Even if they offered me a > > > replacement frame it would now have rear facing drops or possible low > > > trail geometry. Again, the bike is a great bike and may roll on for > > > decades, but resale value is affected by lack of apparent long term > > > commitment to the offereing. At this point you would not know from > > > Rawland that these bikes were ever for sale if it were not for flickr > > > and web forms, and they were for sale less than 2 years ago. > > > > > I am not trying to knock down the business model Sean is using, he > > > offers a decent price on styles of frames that are somewhat unique in > > > the market, you just have to realize that you may be getting into a > > > one time deal. Keeping this on topic. Rivendell offers a more > > > complete and sustained customer experience, and therefore is able to > > > build a culture around their product line. Taking that further, > > > Grant's approach of widening the pond with other companies in the > > > culture, e.g. Rawland, Minnehaha, acorn and what I am starting allows > > > this culture to flourish. > > > > > Rob > > > - > > >http://oceanaircycles.com/ > > > > > On Dec 16, 8:37 am, Ray Shine <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Rob -- please elaborate re Rawland possibly hurting the pricing of > > >> their bikes. > > > > >> ________________________________ > > >> From: rperks <[email protected]> > > >> To: RBW Owners Bunch <[email protected]> > > >> Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 8:34:00 AM > > >> Subject: [RBW] Re: FS: Rawland Sogn, Bike Friday FT: Tikit, Nitto stem > > > > >> It is not just Rawland, although I think Sean did things with his > > >> pricing and timing that hurt the value of these bikes. Have you > > >> looked at the price of bike on ebay or even here? You can get a used > > >> surly complete well under $500 and the prices here for good Ranbo's in > > >> my size on this list is astonishing. 1 year ago bikes were still > > >> apreciating, but things are starting to dive in our world too. It > > >> always happens in the winter, and you could always throw the dice on > > >> spring and summer prices coming back up. > > > > >> Rob > > > > >> On Dec 15, 10:04 pm, Esteban <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> Ah, unfortunately I teach in June and PBP is at the end of August. > > >>> I'd be broke if I paid for food in Euros for two extra months while I > > >>> panhandled in front of Notre Dame. > > > > >>> I *am* planning a SR series this year, so you never know. I want to > > >>> do the Paris-Roubaix route, though. > > > > >>> The Tikit should find a home - its really darn useful. The market for > > >>> the original Rawlands was kind of week even before the rSogn was > > >>> announced. I'm not sure why except that it was orphaned rather > > >>> rapidly. I've never heard a complaint about that bike and i certainly > > >>> don't have any. That's one I wouldn't mind keeping, with Kirk Pacenti > > >>> being involved in the design. I'd certainly take it over any Surly. > > >>> Its a nice pathway to a Bombadil. But it *is* for sale! For now... > > > > >>> Esteban > > > > >>> On Dec 15, 9:00 pm, Roy Yates <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>>> Is it a planned coincidence that you're teaching in France in a PBP > > >>>> year? > > > > >>>> On Dec 15, 9:25 pm, Esteban <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>>>> haha -- I teach in France this summer, and when the coupled Riv Road > > >>>>> custom came up with couplers, I couldn't pass up the idea of running > > >>>>> around the French countryside this summer on a Riv. I also may be > > >>>>> teaching in London in 2013, in time for the London-Edinburgh-London > > >>>>> 1400K. The Tikit is awesome -- really, awesome. But I'd rather be on > > >>>>> a big boy bike for brevets! > > > > >>>>> On Dec 15, 6:18 pm, Seth Vidal <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Esteban <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>> So... I'm putting my Rawland Sogn and BF Tikit for sale to help pay > > >>>>>>> for a Rivendell. > > > > >>>>>> Wait - what riv are you buying now? Has your ebisu even come in, yet? > > > > >>>>>> -sv- Hide quoted text - > > > > >>> - Show quoted text - > > > > >> -- > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >> Groups "RBW > > >> Owners Bunch" group. > > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >> [email protected]. > > >> For more options, visit this group > > >> athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted > > >> text - > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]. > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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