Few things in life bring a smile to my face like a good discussion
about the B17... 100+ year-old design, millions of miles... says an
awful lot.

Bobby "more B17s than Imelda Marcos has shoes" Birmingham

On Jan 7, 9:32 am, Steve Palincsar <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 06:24 -0800, Christian wrote:
>
> > I have direct experience.  While my B-17 was very comfortable it did
> > not last.  I wore it out in about 4500 miles--it started sagging to
> > one side and became asymmetrical.  So, it was really comfortable until
> > it wasn't.  I have heard from many others--check out the discussions
> > on the ibob list--that this is not uncommon.  Of course, you might buy
> > one and have it last for 50,000 miles.
>
> I have several B.17s, none new, with mileage in excess of 10,000 miles
> and no asymmetric sagging.  Although some of these saddles were
> purchased after the acquisition of Brooks, I believe they were all made
> prior to that.  I'm not sure how common the problem is, but I've not
> seen it in person, either on my saddles or other people's.
>
> > I got a full refund as it was under warranty--it was only a year old--
> > and purchased a Berthoud touring saddle from Mike Kone at Rene Herse
> > in Boulder.  It's much harder initially than the B17; the leather is,
> > by my imprecise calculations, at least twice as thick;
>
> I recently got a Berthoud Touring and I agree, the leather seems to be
> at least twice as thick as a B.l7.  I haven't ridden mine yet.

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