I'm also one of the apparent minority who tried a Berthoud, and found
it uncomfortable, even on reasonably short rides--25 miles.  The
material and build quality is amazing and I was disappointed that the
comfort didn't match all the other exceptional qualities of this
saddle.

I have B-17's in various versions on all my bikes--Champion Flyer on
the commuter with upright bars, Ti versions on my brevet bike and
tandem.  I've only had one B-17 fail due to assymetrical stretching,
and it was replaced by Brooks under warranty.

My weight is about 180 lbs.

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